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Martin Eden

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79. There will be MORE PAIN from lack of healthcare.... BUT.....

Thu Nov 13, 2025, 08:58 AM

3 hrs ago

The BIG QUESTION is whether prolonging the shutdown would have persuaded or coerced the Republicans to restore ACA subsidies:
1. In a revised Senate bill, and pass it
2. The Republican House would pass it
3. Trump would sign it, admitting defeat

We can't know for sure if that would have happened, but I think that was extremely unlikely.

WHY?

Because Republicans have been trying to kill the ACA since Obama signed it into law. Who here really thinks they would abandon that long-term goal just when they're on the cusp of achieving it?

Remember, they don't care about poor people dying for lack of healthcare. And the Orange Sociopath? Cruelty is the point.

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People wanting the shutdown to continue into the holidays - who has 40 plus days of funding in reserve to survive on? [View all] bigtree 15 hrs ago OP

Thune would have jettisoned the filibuster. pat_k 14 hrs ago #1

40 damn days bigtree 14 hrs ago #3

I stand by my analysis. pat_k 14 hrs ago #6

capitulation was just around the corner? bigtree 14 hrs ago #11

People already ARE at the mercy of the Felon. pat_k 14 hrs ago #12

the federal workers bigtree 14 hrs ago #13

You think this is some sort of "politics as usual"? pat_k 14 hrs ago #16

did you ask those families to sacrifice their livelihoods for your politics? bigtree 14 hrs ago #19

The Senate Democrats took the ONLY shot they had at preventing the deaths of tens of thousands. pat_k 13 hrs ago #30

they needed to end their politics over the holidays bigtree 12 hrs ago #54

repukes need to end their cruelty, PERIOD Skittles 11 hrs ago #67

You see it as politics. To me, it was a moral imperative. pat_k 5 hrs ago #73

Absolutely excellent BeerBarrelPolka 5 hrs ago #75

Are you willing Mossfern 3 hrs ago #81

Post 73 pat_k 3 hrs ago #85

That doesn't answer my quesiton to you Mossfern 1 hr ago #96

The answer is that moral failure has worse consequences. pat_k 1 hr ago #98

Get off the damn high horse FHRRK 12 hrs ago #51

high horse bigtree 12 hrs ago #56

You know why you stand by your analysis? FHRRK 12 hrs ago #45

Great post. Scrivener7 5 hrs ago #71

Yep and we're going to do this again in 3 months !!! uponit7771 2 hrs ago #91

Its kicking the can down the road in the wrong direction. CentralMass 14 hrs ago #2

THE HUMANS IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE bigtree 14 hrs ago #5

The worst is yet to come. The GOP will give up nothing. CentralMass 14 hrs ago #8

RIGHT!!! No bully says I'll be nicer next time if you give up now uponit7771 2 hrs ago #94

With preparation more than 3 months but that didn't happen, Dem leadership did no prep work for uponit7771 2 hrs ago #93

And it'll be worse next time. They'll take away more. Scrivener7 5 hrs ago #72

No one here wanted people to suffer! leftstreet 14 hrs ago #4

so helpless to do a thing for them bigtree 14 hrs ago #7

WHY the HELL did the shutdown occur? choie 13 hrs ago #22

We gained over a month of making the public aware that the repubs supported ending the subsidies onenote 12 hrs ago #57

the fault lies with REPUBLICANS Skittles 13 hrs ago #24

well they weren't Skittles 14 hrs ago #9

You're not wrong there n/t leftstreet 14 hrs ago #10

HOW did "SNAP beneficiaries got a raise" ??? Jack Valentino 14 hrs ago #14

the benefit amount was increased in the agreement bigtree 14 hrs ago #15

YOU need to 'keep up', my friend--- Jack Valentino 14 hrs ago #18

you're right, it's an increase in the contingency payment bigtree 14 hrs ago #20

I agree with much of what you said, people can't live without a paycheck forever... Jack Valentino 13 hrs ago #25

it was cheeky bigtree 13 hrs ago #39

It's all good.... I'm usually worse myself, but I like you :) Jack Valentino 12 hrs ago #44

thank you Skittles 13 hrs ago #26

I do think the state of Michigan under Whitmer acted much more quickly, Jack Valentino 13 hrs ago #31

oh absolutely Skittles 13 hrs ago #34

AND utilizes the 'Trump Justice' department to fight against court orders Jack Valentino 13 hrs ago #36

It didn't increase the funding for SNAP, but it guaranteed it through September 2026 onenote 12 hrs ago #58

That SNAP benefits will be funded through 9-26 is very good--- Jack Valentino 12 hrs ago #61

We also have the opportunity to raise the issue before people lose their insurance. onenote 12 hrs ago #63

Thank you. This is pure propaganda to make us feel like we won something. choie 13 hrs ago #23

They 'got a raise' back to the normal amount, Jack Valentino 13 hrs ago #29

when I dove into it I got the actual farce bigtree 13 hrs ago #41

People who are bellyaching about Democrats "caving" have tunnel vision valleyrogue 14 hrs ago #17

Then provide one reason why the Democrats pushed for the ACA subsidies when choie 13 hrs ago #27

It was NOT that 'obvious'---- there are quite a few swing state and swing district Republicans Jack Valentino 13 hrs ago #33

To a certain extent it was political theater. Or more aptly, political education onenote 12 hrs ago #60

I think it did a good job showing which party cares about people who need assistance Skittles 12 hrs ago #64

I've experienced true destitution Samael13 3 hrs ago #78

Furthermore it also accomplishes something the republicans cant on their own Samael13 3 hrs ago #82

By your logic, there should have been no shutdown at all Sympthsical 14 hrs ago #21

thank you Skittles 13 hrs ago #28

ABSOLUTELY. Jack Valentino 13 hrs ago #38

Thank you. Joinfortmill 13 hrs ago #32

The historical record is,quite clear.... reACTIONary 13 hrs ago #35

So do you think we shouldn't have tried? Jack Valentino 13 hrs ago #42

Whether it was worth it or not... reACTIONary 2 hrs ago #88

Nancy Pelosi got concessions from Trump iemanja 12 hrs ago #55

As you note, none of the concessions... reACTIONary 2 hrs ago #89

We don't have to govern. mr715 13 hrs ago #37

bumper sticker? bigtree 12 hrs ago #43

I give no approval to the funding of what Trump is doing. mr715 12 hrs ago #50

"What kind of party allows that to go into Thanksgiving and the rest, leaving them under the knife of the republicans" Takket 13 hrs ago #40

we had the power to remove those workers and their families out of the way of our politics bigtree 12 hrs ago #47

Ah yes, because we were the ones doing this. mr715 12 hrs ago #52

that's specious bigtree 12 hrs ago #59

And what about the 42 million folks not getting SNAP payments? onenote 12 hrs ago #62

Don't forget to add in the tens of millions of people on SNAP benefits. W_HAMILTON 11 hrs ago #66

This needs to be its own OP mcar 3 hrs ago #80

Thank you for posting this. Phoenix61 12 hrs ago #46

+1 Agreed. onenote 12 hrs ago #48

Give it up. You got your way. iemanja 12 hrs ago #49

Great post! hamsterjill 3 hrs ago #83

Thank you. iemanja 2 hrs ago #87

Yep seems fair angrychair 12 hrs ago #53

Well... those people were going to get their snap benefits anyway. Scrivener7 5 hrs ago #76

I Believe The Counter-Argument Would Be: Then Why Start?.... ColoringFool 12 hrs ago #65

did you actually read the message Skittles 9 hrs ago #70

Thank you, bigtree. summer_in_TX 11 hrs ago #68

The problem is that the Dem senators did not excerise unity. Intractable 10 hrs ago #69

It wasn't the democrats who shutdown the government. Emile 5 hrs ago #74

I'm dubious that any of that will happen Samael13 5 hrs ago #77

There will be MORE PAIN from lack of healthcare.... BUT..... Martin Eden 3 hrs ago #79

I agree with your analysis, but I wonder why.... reACTIONary 2 hrs ago #92

You are correct. Ending the premium tax credits won't end the ACA Martin Eden 1 hr ago #99

That is true, it is one step.... reACTIONary 22 sec ago #100

So just give them what they want all the time then. BlueTsunami2018 3 hrs ago #84

MAGA voters have not felt enough pain yet. nt Hotler 2 hrs ago #86

I blame this solely on the GOP Torchlight 2 hrs ago #90

Join the Mass Blackout! BlueWavePsych 1 hr ago #95

No one wanted the shutdown to continue into the holidays. Ms. Toad 1 hr ago #97