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reACTIONary

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88. Whether it was worth it or not...
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 10:20 AM
14 hrs ago

.... I didn't pay the price. I'm not in the "who has 40 plus days of funding in reserve to survive on" category. So I might not be the best one to ask.

The other question to ask is "what was the alternative"? The alternative would have been to draw attention to the issue during more or less normal negotiations during a more or less normal period of the continuing resolution. With the increases and lack of subsidies coming up, the issue would become more real to more people and they would experience us fighting for them without undergoing the disruption of a shutdown. That might have been a better strategy.

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Thune would have jettisoned the filibuster. pat_k Wednesday #1
40 damn days bigtree Wednesday #3
I stand by my analysis. pat_k Wednesday #6
capitulation was just around the corner? bigtree Wednesday #11
People already ARE at the mercy of the Felon. pat_k Wednesday #12
the federal workers bigtree Wednesday #13
You think this is some sort of "politics as usual"? pat_k Wednesday #16
did you ask those families to sacrifice their livelihoods for your politics? bigtree Wednesday #19
The Senate Democrats took the ONLY shot they had at preventing the deaths of tens of thousands. pat_k Wednesday #30
they needed to end their politics over the holidays bigtree Yesterday #54
repukes need to end their cruelty, PERIOD Skittles 23 hrs ago #67
You see it as politics. To me, it was a moral imperative. pat_k 17 hrs ago #73
Absolutely excellent BeerBarrelPolka 17 hrs ago #75
Are you willing Mossfern 15 hrs ago #81
Post 73 pat_k 14 hrs ago #85
That doesn't answer my quesiton to you Mossfern 13 hrs ago #96
The answer is that moral failure has worse consequences. pat_k 13 hrs ago #98
Get off the damn high horse FHRRK Yesterday #51
high horse bigtree Yesterday #56
You know why you stand by your analysis? FHRRK Wednesday #45
Great post. Scrivener7 17 hrs ago #71
Yep and we're going to do this again in 3 months !!! uponit7771 13 hrs ago #91
BUT in 3 months mr715 10 hrs ago #104
Nope. SNAP is now funded until Sept 2026 NickB79 8 hrs ago #119
Agree 100% mr715 10 hrs ago #103
Spot on! (with one quibble) pat_k 9 hrs ago #110
Its kicking the can down the road in the wrong direction. CentralMass Wednesday #2
THE HUMANS IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE bigtree Wednesday #5
The worst is yet to come. The GOP will give up nothing. CentralMass Wednesday #8
RIGHT!!! No bully says I'll be nicer next time if you give up now uponit7771 13 hrs ago #94
With preparation more than 3 months but that didn't happen, Dem leadership did no prep work for uponit7771 13 hrs ago #93
What they did mr715 9 hrs ago #109
Yep, it'll happen again until democrats prepare the pupulace to hold out for a long time uponit7771 6 hrs ago #121
And it'll be worse next time. They'll take away more. Scrivener7 17 hrs ago #72
No one here wanted people to suffer! leftstreet Wednesday #4
so helpless to do a thing for them bigtree Wednesday #7
WHY the HELL did the shutdown occur? choie Wednesday #22
We gained over a month of making the public aware that the repubs supported ending the subsidies onenote Yesterday #57
the fault lies with REPUBLICANS Skittles Wednesday #24
well they weren't Skittles Wednesday #9
You're not wrong there n/t leftstreet Wednesday #10
But they weren't about to cave. Mossfern 9 hrs ago #115
We'll never know n/t leftstreet 9 hrs ago #116
What behavior, in consideration Mossfern 9 hrs ago #117
They didn't wanna kill the filibuster leftstreet 9 hrs ago #118
HOW did "SNAP beneficiaries got a raise" ??? Jack Valentino Wednesday #14
the benefit amount was increased in the agreement bigtree Wednesday #15
YOU need to 'keep up', my friend--- Jack Valentino Wednesday #18
you're right, it's an increase in the contingency payment bigtree Wednesday #20
I agree with much of what you said, people can't live without a paycheck forever... Jack Valentino Wednesday #25
it was cheeky bigtree Wednesday #39
It's all good.... I'm usually worse myself, but I like you :) Jack Valentino Wednesday #44
thank you Skittles Wednesday #26
I do think the state of Michigan under Whitmer acted much more quickly, Jack Valentino Wednesday #31
oh absolutely Skittles Wednesday #34
AND utilizes the 'Trump Justice' department to fight against court orders Jack Valentino Wednesday #36
It didn't increase the funding for SNAP, but it guaranteed it through September 2026 onenote Yesterday #58
That SNAP benefits will be funded through 9-26 is very good--- Jack Valentino Yesterday #61
We also have the opportunity to raise the issue before people lose their insurance. onenote 23 hrs ago #63
Thank you. This is pure propaganda to make us feel like we won something. choie Wednesday #23
They 'got a raise' back to the normal amount, Jack Valentino Wednesday #29
when I dove into it I got the actual farce bigtree Wednesday #41
People who are bellyaching about Democrats "caving" have tunnel vision valleyrogue Wednesday #17
Then provide one reason why the Democrats pushed for the ACA subsidies when choie Wednesday #27
It was NOT that 'obvious'---- there are quite a few swing state and swing district Republicans Jack Valentino Wednesday #33
To a certain extent it was political theater. Or more aptly, political education onenote Yesterday #60
I think it did a good job showing which party cares about people who need assistance Skittles 23 hrs ago #64
I've experienced true destitution Samael13 15 hrs ago #78
Furthermore it also accomplishes something the republicans cant on their own Samael13 15 hrs ago #82
By your logic, there should have been no shutdown at all Sympthsical Wednesday #21
thank you Skittles Wednesday #28
ABSOLUTELY. Jack Valentino Wednesday #38
Thank you. Joinfortmill Wednesday #32
The historical record is,quite clear.... reACTIONary Wednesday #35
So do you think we shouldn't have tried? Jack Valentino Wednesday #42
Whether it was worth it or not... reACTIONary 14 hrs ago #88
Nancy Pelosi got concessions from Trump iemanja Yesterday #55
As you note, none of the concessions... reACTIONary 14 hrs ago #89
Speaker Pelosi would disagree with this assessment nt mr715 9 hrs ago #113
With the historical record? Or with the chances this time around? reACTIONary 4 hrs ago #122
Remember the wall? mr715 4 hrs ago #123
Sounds like this was a failed shutdown, not a win.... reACTIONary 4 hrs ago #124
We don't have to govern. mr715 Wednesday #37
bumper sticker? bigtree Wednesday #43
I give no approval to the funding of what Trump is doing. mr715 Yesterday #50
"What kind of party allows that to go into Thanksgiving and the rest, leaving them under the knife of the republicans" Takket Wednesday #40
we had the power to remove those workers and their families out of the way of our politics bigtree Yesterday #47
Ah yes, because we were the ones doing this. mr715 Yesterday #52
that's specious bigtree Yesterday #59
Political Crutches mr715 10 hrs ago #107
You can't settle the trolley car problem this way. . . Stargleamer 10 hrs ago #102
And what about the 42 million folks not getting SNAP payments? onenote Yesterday #62
Don't forget to add in the tens of millions of people on SNAP benefits. W_HAMILTON 23 hrs ago #66
This needs to be its own OP mcar 15 hrs ago #80
Thank you for posting this. Phoenix61 Yesterday #46
+1 Agreed. onenote Yesterday #48
Give it up. You got your way. iemanja Yesterday #49
Great post! hamsterjill 15 hrs ago #83
Thank you. iemanja 14 hrs ago #87
Yep seems fair angrychair Yesterday #53
Well... those people were going to get their snap benefits anyway. Scrivener7 17 hrs ago #76
Right on. nt mr715 9 hrs ago #114
I Believe The Counter-Argument Would Be: Then Why Start?.... ColoringFool 23 hrs ago #65
did you actually read the message Skittles 20 hrs ago #70
Thank you, bigtree. summer_in_TX 22 hrs ago #68
The problem is that the Dem senators did not excerise unity. Intractable 21 hrs ago #69
Calculating who and when and where. mr715 10 hrs ago #105
It wasn't the democrats who shutdown the government. Emile 17 hrs ago #74
But we're "cruel" nt mr715 9 hrs ago #108
Amazing, it's all our fault now. Emile 9 hrs ago #111
"Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!" nt mr715 9 hrs ago #112
I'm dubious that any of that will happen Samael13 17 hrs ago #77
There will be MORE PAIN from lack of healthcare.... BUT..... Martin Eden 15 hrs ago #79
I agree with your analysis, but I wonder why.... reACTIONary 13 hrs ago #92
You are correct. Ending the premium tax credits won't end the ACA Martin Eden 13 hrs ago #99
That is true, it is one step.... reACTIONary 11 hrs ago #100
So just give them what they want all the time then. BlueTsunami2018 14 hrs ago #84
MAGA voters have not felt enough pain yet. nt Hotler 14 hrs ago #86
I blame this solely on the GOP Torchlight 13 hrs ago #90
Join the Mass Blackout! BlueWavePsych 13 hrs ago #95
No one wanted the shutdown to continue into the holidays. Ms. Toad 13 hrs ago #97
I literally read a poster with 50,000+ posts say it should have gone a YEAR NickB79 8 hrs ago #120
Thank you. MorbidButterflyTat 11 hrs ago #101
Thank you. I believe that the point was made, and there was no point to additional suffereing. NNadir 10 hrs ago #106
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