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Ms. Toad

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97. No one wanted the shutdown to continue into the holidays.

Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:03 AM

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The goal was to use the leverage of premiums being announced for the next year to push Republican members of Congress to pass the extension of subsidies when their Republican constituents demanded it in response to sticker shock. The timing of the holidays is irrelevant to that strategy -they simply happen at the same time of year as next year's announcement.

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People wanting the shutdown to continue into the holidays - who has 40 plus days of funding in reserve to survive on? [View all] bigtree Wednesday OP

Thune would have jettisoned the filibuster. pat_k Wednesday #1

40 damn days bigtree Wednesday #3

I stand by my analysis. pat_k Wednesday #6

capitulation was just around the corner? bigtree Wednesday #11

People already ARE at the mercy of the Felon. pat_k Wednesday #12

the federal workers bigtree Wednesday #13

You think this is some sort of "politics as usual"? pat_k Wednesday #16

did you ask those families to sacrifice their livelihoods for your politics? bigtree Wednesday #19

The Senate Democrats took the ONLY shot they had at preventing the deaths of tens of thousands. pat_k Wednesday #30

they needed to end their politics over the holidays bigtree Thursday #54

repukes need to end their cruelty, PERIOD Skittles Thursday #67

You see it as politics. To me, it was a moral imperative. pat_k Thursday #73

Absolutely excellent BeerBarrelPolka Thursday #75

Are you willing Mossfern Thursday #81

Post 73 pat_k Thursday #85

That doesn't answer my quesiton to you Mossfern Thursday #96

The answer is that moral failure has worse consequences. pat_k Thursday #98

Get off the damn high horse FHRRK Thursday #51

high horse bigtree Thursday #56

You know why you stand by your analysis? FHRRK Wednesday #45

Great post. Scrivener7 Thursday #71

Yep and we're going to do this again in 3 months !!! uponit7771 Thursday #91

BUT in 3 months mr715 Thursday #104

Nope. SNAP is now funded until Sept 2026 NickB79 Thursday #119

Agree 100% mr715 Thursday #103

Spot on! (with one quibble) pat_k Thursday #110

Its kicking the can down the road in the wrong direction. CentralMass Wednesday #2

THE HUMANS IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE bigtree Wednesday #5

The worst is yet to come. The GOP will give up nothing. CentralMass Wednesday #8

RIGHT!!! No bully says I'll be nicer next time if you give up now uponit7771 Thursday #94

With preparation more than 3 months but that didn't happen, Dem leadership did no prep work for uponit7771 Thursday #93

What they did mr715 Thursday #109

Yep, it'll happen again until democrats prepare the pupulace to hold out for a long time uponit7771 Thursday #121

And it'll be worse next time. They'll take away more. Scrivener7 Thursday #72

No one here wanted people to suffer! leftstreet Wednesday #4

so helpless to do a thing for them bigtree Wednesday #7

WHY the HELL did the shutdown occur? choie Wednesday #22

We gained over a month of making the public aware that the repubs supported ending the subsidies onenote Thursday #57

the fault lies with REPUBLICANS Skittles Wednesday #24

well they weren't Skittles Wednesday #9

You're not wrong there n/t leftstreet Wednesday #10

But they weren't about to cave. Mossfern Thursday #115

We'll never know n/t leftstreet Thursday #116

What behavior, in consideration Mossfern Thursday #117

They didn't wanna kill the filibuster leftstreet Thursday #118

HOW did "SNAP beneficiaries got a raise" ??? Jack Valentino Wednesday #14

the benefit amount was increased in the agreement bigtree Wednesday #15

YOU need to 'keep up', my friend--- Jack Valentino Wednesday #18

you're right, it's an increase in the contingency payment bigtree Wednesday #20

I agree with much of what you said, people can't live without a paycheck forever... Jack Valentino Wednesday #25

it was cheeky bigtree Wednesday #39

It's all good.... I'm usually worse myself, but I like you :) Jack Valentino Wednesday #44

thank you Skittles Wednesday #26

I do think the state of Michigan under Whitmer acted much more quickly, Jack Valentino Wednesday #31

oh absolutely Skittles Wednesday #34

AND utilizes the 'Trump Justice' department to fight against court orders Jack Valentino Wednesday #36

It didn't increase the funding for SNAP, but it guaranteed it through September 2026 onenote Thursday #58

That SNAP benefits will be funded through 9-26 is very good--- Jack Valentino Thursday #61

We also have the opportunity to raise the issue before people lose their insurance. onenote Thursday #63

Thank you. This is pure propaganda to make us feel like we won something. choie Wednesday #23

They 'got a raise' back to the normal amount, Jack Valentino Wednesday #29

when I dove into it I got the actual farce bigtree Wednesday #41

People who are bellyaching about Democrats "caving" have tunnel vision valleyrogue Wednesday #17

Then provide one reason why the Democrats pushed for the ACA subsidies when choie Wednesday #27

It was NOT that 'obvious'---- there are quite a few swing state and swing district Republicans Jack Valentino Wednesday #33

To a certain extent it was political theater. Or more aptly, political education onenote Thursday #60

I think it did a good job showing which party cares about people who need assistance Skittles Thursday #64

I've experienced true destitution Samael13 Thursday #78

Furthermore it also accomplishes something the republicans cant on their own Samael13 Thursday #82

By your logic, there should have been no shutdown at all Sympthsical Wednesday #21

thank you Skittles Wednesday #28

ABSOLUTELY. Jack Valentino Wednesday #38

Thank you. Joinfortmill Wednesday #32

The historical record is,quite clear.... reACTIONary Wednesday #35

So do you think we shouldn't have tried? Jack Valentino Wednesday #42

Whether it was worth it or not... reACTIONary Thursday #88

Nancy Pelosi got concessions from Trump iemanja Thursday #55

As you note, none of the concessions... reACTIONary Thursday #89

Speaker Pelosi would disagree with this assessment nt mr715 Thursday #113

With the historical record? Or with the chances this time around? reACTIONary Thursday #122

Remember the wall? mr715 Thursday #123

Sounds like this was a failed shutdown, not a win.... reACTIONary Thursday #124

We don't have to govern. mr715 Wednesday #37

bumper sticker? bigtree Wednesday #43

I give no approval to the funding of what Trump is doing. mr715 Thursday #50

"What kind of party allows that to go into Thanksgiving and the rest, leaving them under the knife of the republicans" Takket Wednesday #40

we had the power to remove those workers and their families out of the way of our politics bigtree Thursday #47

Ah yes, because we were the ones doing this. mr715 Thursday #52

that's specious bigtree Thursday #59

Political Crutches mr715 Thursday #107

You can't settle the trolley car problem this way. . . Stargleamer Thursday #102

And what about the 42 million folks not getting SNAP payments? onenote Thursday #62

Don't forget to add in the tens of millions of people on SNAP benefits. W_HAMILTON Thursday #66

This needs to be its own OP mcar Thursday #80

Thank you for posting this. Phoenix61 Thursday #46

+1 Agreed. onenote Thursday #48

Give it up. You got your way. iemanja Thursday #49

Great post! hamsterjill Thursday #83

Thank you. iemanja Thursday #87

Yep seems fair angrychair Thursday #53

Well... those people were going to get their snap benefits anyway. Scrivener7 Thursday #76

Right on. nt mr715 Thursday #114

I Believe The Counter-Argument Would Be: Then Why Start?.... ColoringFool Thursday #65

did you actually read the message Skittles Thursday #70

Thank you, bigtree. summer_in_TX Thursday #68

The problem is that the Dem senators did not excerise unity. Intractable Thursday #69

Calculating who and when and where. mr715 Thursday #105

It wasn't the democrats who shutdown the government. Emile Thursday #74

But we're "cruel" nt mr715 Thursday #108

Amazing, it's all our fault now. Emile Thursday #111

"Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!" nt mr715 Thursday #112

I'm dubious that any of that will happen Samael13 Thursday #77

There will be MORE PAIN from lack of healthcare.... BUT..... Martin Eden Thursday #79

I agree with your analysis, but I wonder why.... reACTIONary Thursday #92

You are correct. Ending the premium tax credits won't end the ACA Martin Eden Thursday #99

That is true, it is one step.... reACTIONary Thursday #100

So just give them what they want all the time then. BlueTsunami2018 Thursday #84

MAGA voters have not felt enough pain yet. nt Hotler Thursday #86

I blame this solely on the GOP Torchlight Thursday #90

Join the Mass Blackout! BlueWavePsych Thursday #95

No one wanted the shutdown to continue into the holidays. Ms. Toad Thursday #97

I literally read a poster with 50,000+ posts say it should have gone a YEAR NickB79 Thursday #120

Thank you. MorbidButterflyTat Thursday #101

Thank you. I believe that the point was made, and there was no point to additional suffereing. NNadir Thursday #106