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pat_k

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98. The answer is that moral failure has worse consequences.

Thu Nov 13, 2025, 11:06 AM

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It is the Democratic party's image of being weak, a direct result of refusing to draw lines and stand strong on sacred principles over, and over, and over again, that got us here.

Continued moral failure is not the way out.

It is the Republicans, NOT the Democrats, that are inflicting the harms. We defeat strong and wrong by being Strong and Right. Not by being weak and right.

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People wanting the shutdown to continue into the holidays - who has 40 plus days of funding in reserve to survive on? [View all] bigtree Wednesday OP

Thune would have jettisoned the filibuster. pat_k Wednesday #1

40 damn days bigtree Wednesday #3

I stand by my analysis. pat_k Wednesday #6

capitulation was just around the corner? bigtree Wednesday #11

People already ARE at the mercy of the Felon. pat_k Wednesday #12

the federal workers bigtree Wednesday #13

You think this is some sort of "politics as usual"? pat_k Wednesday #16

did you ask those families to sacrifice their livelihoods for your politics? bigtree Wednesday #19

The Senate Democrats took the ONLY shot they had at preventing the deaths of tens of thousands. pat_k Wednesday #30

they needed to end their politics over the holidays bigtree Yesterday #54

repukes need to end their cruelty, PERIOD Skittles Yesterday #67

You see it as politics. To me, it was a moral imperative. pat_k 22 hrs ago #73

Absolutely excellent BeerBarrelPolka 22 hrs ago #75

Are you willing Mossfern 20 hrs ago #81

Post 73 pat_k 19 hrs ago #85

That doesn't answer my quesiton to you Mossfern 18 hrs ago #96

The answer is that moral failure has worse consequences. pat_k 18 hrs ago #98

Get off the damn high horse FHRRK Yesterday #51

high horse bigtree Yesterday #56

You know why you stand by your analysis? FHRRK Wednesday #45

Great post. Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #71

Yep and we're going to do this again in 3 months !!! uponit7771 18 hrs ago #91

BUT in 3 months mr715 15 hrs ago #104

Nope. SNAP is now funded until Sept 2026 NickB79 13 hrs ago #119

Agree 100% mr715 15 hrs ago #103

Spot on! (with one quibble) pat_k 14 hrs ago #110

Its kicking the can down the road in the wrong direction. CentralMass Wednesday #2

THE HUMANS IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE bigtree Wednesday #5

The worst is yet to come. The GOP will give up nothing. CentralMass Wednesday #8

RIGHT!!! No bully says I'll be nicer next time if you give up now uponit7771 18 hrs ago #94

With preparation more than 3 months but that didn't happen, Dem leadership did no prep work for uponit7771 18 hrs ago #93

What they did mr715 14 hrs ago #109

Yep, it'll happen again until democrats prepare the pupulace to hold out for a long time uponit7771 11 hrs ago #121

And it'll be worse next time. They'll take away more. Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #72

No one here wanted people to suffer! leftstreet Wednesday #4

so helpless to do a thing for them bigtree Wednesday #7

WHY the HELL did the shutdown occur? choie Wednesday #22

We gained over a month of making the public aware that the repubs supported ending the subsidies onenote Yesterday #57

the fault lies with REPUBLICANS Skittles Wednesday #24

well they weren't Skittles Wednesday #9

You're not wrong there n/t leftstreet Wednesday #10

But they weren't about to cave. Mossfern 14 hrs ago #115

We'll never know n/t leftstreet 14 hrs ago #116

What behavior, in consideration Mossfern 13 hrs ago #117

They didn't wanna kill the filibuster leftstreet 13 hrs ago #118

HOW did "SNAP beneficiaries got a raise" ??? Jack Valentino Wednesday #14

the benefit amount was increased in the agreement bigtree Wednesday #15

YOU need to 'keep up', my friend--- Jack Valentino Wednesday #18

you're right, it's an increase in the contingency payment bigtree Wednesday #20

I agree with much of what you said, people can't live without a paycheck forever... Jack Valentino Wednesday #25

it was cheeky bigtree Wednesday #39

It's all good.... I'm usually worse myself, but I like you :) Jack Valentino Wednesday #44

thank you Skittles Wednesday #26

I do think the state of Michigan under Whitmer acted much more quickly, Jack Valentino Wednesday #31

oh absolutely Skittles Wednesday #34

AND utilizes the 'Trump Justice' department to fight against court orders Jack Valentino Wednesday #36

It didn't increase the funding for SNAP, but it guaranteed it through September 2026 onenote Yesterday #58

That SNAP benefits will be funded through 9-26 is very good--- Jack Valentino Yesterday #61

We also have the opportunity to raise the issue before people lose their insurance. onenote Yesterday #63

Thank you. This is pure propaganda to make us feel like we won something. choie Wednesday #23

They 'got a raise' back to the normal amount, Jack Valentino Wednesday #29

when I dove into it I got the actual farce bigtree Wednesday #41

People who are bellyaching about Democrats "caving" have tunnel vision valleyrogue Wednesday #17

Then provide one reason why the Democrats pushed for the ACA subsidies when choie Wednesday #27

It was NOT that 'obvious'---- there are quite a few swing state and swing district Republicans Jack Valentino Wednesday #33

To a certain extent it was political theater. Or more aptly, political education onenote Yesterday #60

I think it did a good job showing which party cares about people who need assistance Skittles Yesterday #64

I've experienced true destitution Samael13 20 hrs ago #78

Furthermore it also accomplishes something the republicans cant on their own Samael13 20 hrs ago #82

By your logic, there should have been no shutdown at all Sympthsical Wednesday #21

thank you Skittles Wednesday #28

ABSOLUTELY. Jack Valentino Wednesday #38

Thank you. Joinfortmill Wednesday #32

The historical record is,quite clear.... reACTIONary Wednesday #35

So do you think we shouldn't have tried? Jack Valentino Wednesday #42

Whether it was worth it or not... reACTIONary 19 hrs ago #88

Nancy Pelosi got concessions from Trump iemanja Yesterday #55

As you note, none of the concessions... reACTIONary 18 hrs ago #89

Speaker Pelosi would disagree with this assessment nt mr715 14 hrs ago #113

With the historical record? Or with the chances this time around? reACTIONary 9 hrs ago #122

Remember the wall? mr715 9 hrs ago #123

Sounds like this was a failed shutdown, not a win.... reACTIONary 9 hrs ago #124

We don't have to govern. mr715 Wednesday #37

bumper sticker? bigtree Wednesday #43

I give no approval to the funding of what Trump is doing. mr715 Yesterday #50

"What kind of party allows that to go into Thanksgiving and the rest, leaving them under the knife of the republicans" Takket Wednesday #40

we had the power to remove those workers and their families out of the way of our politics bigtree Yesterday #47

Ah yes, because we were the ones doing this. mr715 Yesterday #52

that's specious bigtree Yesterday #59

Political Crutches mr715 15 hrs ago #107

You can't settle the trolley car problem this way. . . Stargleamer 15 hrs ago #102

And what about the 42 million folks not getting SNAP payments? onenote Yesterday #62

Don't forget to add in the tens of millions of people on SNAP benefits. W_HAMILTON Yesterday #66

This needs to be its own OP mcar 20 hrs ago #80

Thank you for posting this. Phoenix61 Yesterday #46

+1 Agreed. onenote Yesterday #48

Give it up. You got your way. iemanja Yesterday #49

Great post! hamsterjill 19 hrs ago #83

Thank you. iemanja 19 hrs ago #87

Yep seems fair angrychair Yesterday #53

Well... those people were going to get their snap benefits anyway. Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #76

Right on. nt mr715 14 hrs ago #114

I Believe The Counter-Argument Would Be: Then Why Start?.... ColoringFool Yesterday #65

did you actually read the message Skittles Yesterday #70

Thank you, bigtree. summer_in_TX Yesterday #68

The problem is that the Dem senators did not excerise unity. Intractable Yesterday #69

Calculating who and when and where. mr715 15 hrs ago #105

It wasn't the democrats who shutdown the government. Emile 22 hrs ago #74

But we're "cruel" nt mr715 14 hrs ago #108

Amazing, it's all our fault now. Emile 14 hrs ago #111

"Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!" nt mr715 14 hrs ago #112

I'm dubious that any of that will happen Samael13 22 hrs ago #77

There will be MORE PAIN from lack of healthcare.... BUT..... Martin Eden 20 hrs ago #79

I agree with your analysis, but I wonder why.... reACTIONary 18 hrs ago #92

You are correct. Ending the premium tax credits won't end the ACA Martin Eden 18 hrs ago #99

That is true, it is one step.... reACTIONary 16 hrs ago #100

So just give them what they want all the time then. BlueTsunami2018 19 hrs ago #84

MAGA voters have not felt enough pain yet. nt Hotler 19 hrs ago #86

I blame this solely on the GOP Torchlight 18 hrs ago #90

Join the Mass Blackout! BlueWavePsych 18 hrs ago #95

No one wanted the shutdown to continue into the holidays. Ms. Toad 18 hrs ago #97

I literally read a poster with 50,000+ posts say it should have gone a YEAR NickB79 13 hrs ago #120

Thank you. MorbidButterflyTat 16 hrs ago #101

Thank you. I believe that the point was made, and there was no point to additional suffereing. NNadir 15 hrs ago #106