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103. No, I never expected overnite success.

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 10:00 AM

Dec 2011

During the campaign, I saw many, many others who did. I kept my mouth shut and shouldn't have. I knew they weren't basing their worship of him on reality. I was 100% behind him...but, not at first. I didn't jump on the Hope and Change bus until long after I had learned more about him and truly listened to what he was saying. There was no promise of a quick turnaround. On the contrary, he said it would take time. I listened. I knew he was going to run head first into obstruction. I knew that the mess he was walking into was a lot worse than any of us had imagined. And I had hope for him. I still do.

Despite being called a "cheerleader", I never was one. The others were and were let down. I should have told them to pay closer attention. I was more concerned about getting him elected than ensuring his supporters were casting their vote with realistic hopes.

Now, I have to listen to those same people whine because things weren't done "fast enough", not "good enough", not "liberal enough".

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Seriously, did so many people truly believe that president Obama could change the course.... [View all] WCGreen Dec 2011 OP

I really didn't expect a quick switch TlalocW Dec 2011 #1

He is pretty adept at navagating through the mine field... WCGreen Dec 2011 #5

I'm tired of posts like the OP. How is signing the indefinite detention bill a problem for him? roguevalley Dec 2011 #158

+1 eom Beam Me Up Dec 2011 #177

+1, Agreed & Well Said! Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #183

Obama acquired his Keepers Zalatix Dec 2011 #212

There was no such bill Anatos Dec 2011 #228

There is no question that he was handed a huge mess, for sure. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2011 #2

Yes! I will not!! forget how his own party has not been up to the challenge. patrice Dec 2011 #9

Some of us were kenfrequed Dec 2011 #174

hmmm, just a thought BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #22

yes, obama doesnt have the b pulpit. OWS has been the only thing louder than talk radio last 20 yrs certainot Dec 2011 #148

yep..finding ways to break through the wall of noise is paramount right now. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #213

thanks for reminding me- he's a hero for exposing all that although the swiftboating of anita hill certainot Dec 2011 #215

Thank you, Blanche, for saying what I was thinking. japple Dec 2011 #178

one of my little known talents BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #214

You don't really think polmaven Dec 2011 #150

An unfortunate, succinctly stated, truth, that. nt MADem Dec 2011 #173

President Obama Accomplished A Lot In The Three Years He's Been At The Helm...... global1 Dec 2011 #3

That and the alternative is not an option... WCGreen Dec 2011 #10

Right ON madokie Dec 2011 #97

From day#1, what calls itself "the Left" screamed at him to fight AND pulled the rug out patrice Dec 2011 #4

No, we thought he would stand up for us Cronus Protagonist Dec 2011 #6

This assumes that YOUR definition of "stand up" is THE valid one, even though it patrice Dec 2011 #15

We liberals failed to stand up for us, too. Zalatix Dec 2011 #216

No, I seriously believed he would try. That's all. Try, stand up, that's all. (nt) enough Dec 2011 #7

That's what I expected too. hifiguy Dec 2011 #116

I'm glad he didn't Anatos Dec 2011 #229

Did I "truly believe"? No. Did I "hope"? Damn straight! nt jtrockville Dec 2011 #8

Agreed. patrice Dec 2011 #186

Sad to see you buying into this straw-man argument. It was never the speed, it was the direction. Maven Dec 2011 #11

There it is. Many will keep pushing the didn't do enough theme just to avoid this TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #16

X2 -- Absolutely right AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #117

I agree. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #164

I believe Anatos Dec 2011 #230

Not over the blow job, I don't think that is gemane to public affairs. TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #234

Not germaine Anatos Dec 2011 #235

You guess wrong and quite poorly based on your own preconceptions. I am no Clintonite TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #240

We truly don't know what went on behind the closed when they all met about the WCGreen Dec 2011 #20

Well we do know that he told the Banksters Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #95

We didn't elect him Anatos Dec 2011 #231

+1. Couldn't be said any better. Dawgs Dec 2011 #105

thank you! newspeak Dec 2011 #123

"It was never the speed, it was the direction." Well said. And WTF? Jeff Immelt? nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #163

I believed he and a Democratic Congress could change the direction of the mmonk Dec 2011 #12

He did change the direction of previous years, yes. Anatos Dec 2011 #236

My piss poor attitude is attributable to a few very real things. mmonk Dec 2011 #237

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k&r... spanone Dec 2011 #13

Fixing this country and changing DC will take at least 3 Presidents, all on the same page. FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #14

Funny how so many harp on how profound the corruption is, but this guy, for some reason, is patrice Dec 2011 #17

that's human nature, thinking that way. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #25

So because corruption is "profound," he doesn't even have to try? ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #50

I think it is wrong to assume there's 1 & only 1 definition of "try" and that definition is 100% patrice Dec 2011 #52

Wow, you're almost as good as the Rape-Publicans at saying that nothing means anything... ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #58

Your saying that that way, doesn't make anything I said less true. Tell me there's ONE and only one patrice Dec 2011 #59

It doesn't make anything you said any less convoluted, either. ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #62

Sorry. Reality IS complex. Oversimplifications are in error. patrice Dec 2011 #69

Of course it is. For example, "complex" and "convoluted" may sound similar... ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #73

So, reality isn't convoluted? All relationships, especially financial ones, are direct and simple? patrice Dec 2011 #78

Wow! Estevan Dec 2011 #135

Funny, if 'profound corruption' is the problem Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #96

No that's YOUR theory. I have said elsewhere, the situation is much more complex and convoluted patrice Dec 2011 #120

Hpothetical: President gets on tv & makes references to "profound corruption"; what happens next? patrice Dec 2011 #125

it seems the MO newspeak Dec 2011 #134

It's going to take a hell of a lot more than that if the first three are as timid... ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #51

That's what I've said from day #1 of his election! Ship of Fools Dec 2011 #110

No, absolutely no one believed that. JoeyT Dec 2011 #18

WTF??? "absolutely no one"??? LINK please! patrice Dec 2011 #147

The bigger question is did he really want to change the course? Now lets be teddy51 Dec 2011 #19

Well, I never had really high expectations.. WCGreen Dec 2011 #23

Yeah, and no one talks about the difference between experiencing that campaign & being surprised patrice Dec 2011 #189

Being surprised, especially as a Senator, is evidence of wrongheaded thinking. TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #226

But Fox News promised us he would be the most liberal president in history! JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #21

Faux didn't have to. Obama did plenty to encourage that impression on his own. ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #45

I know you're disappointed. JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #81

This is exactly what is needed... Ineeda Dec 2011 #93

Union since age 20 Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #100

What?!!! JohnnyRingo Dec 2011 #143

I think you misinterpreted his/her post. They were posting what Republicans would say about it stevenleser Dec 2011 #165

?????????????????? Are you confused? patrice Dec 2011 #191

1+++++++++ patrice Dec 2011 #190

I am far more cynical than that nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #24

No, but either *he* did or he was lying. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2011 #26

Even FDR only halved unemployment in his first term. MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #27

Your facts are close to right, but consider the context Yo_Mama Dec 2011 #34

So at what point can we declare that the bottom occurred *this* time? MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #35

Close to right is as near as anyone can get Yo_Mama Dec 2011 #41

Do you believe that the official unemployment number is valid? MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #46

It's not invalid, but it doesn't tell the whole picture by a long shot. Yo_Mama Dec 2011 #53

If he wanted no part of Bush..... izquierdista Dec 2011 #28

It's a lot harder than you think to completely purge an administration from the prior one.... WCGreen Dec 2011 #29

He didn't even try izquierdista Dec 2011 #33

No it is not. He intentionally appointed 'a team of rivals' Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #102

you do remember when little boots-cheney newspeak Dec 2011 #138

Toxic Financial Sector. You have to get the best possible inside information about their problems & patrice Dec 2011 #61

Who would be better? Obviously, those who did not help the crash. Obvious to some. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #131

I want to see the wreckage re-built/recycled into profit-sharing & various forms of co - operatives. patrice Dec 2011 #145

I want to see banksters on their way to Texas prisons, without air-conditioning. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #175

I didn't, and I'm surprised he's gotten anything at all done... TreasonousBastard Dec 2011 #30

"I never believed that president Obama was the Messiah who would take us to the Promised Land" Bonobo Dec 2011 #31

If you are refering to the son of the al qaeda member Bodhi BloodWave Dec 2011 #85

"Republicans, from the very start thucythucy Dec 2011 #32

. XemaSab Dec 2011 #43

Yeah, what you said Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2011 #49

GREAT post. Says everything I've felt over the last few years, as I've watched this president Demit Dec 2011 #108

Best Post I've seen ... Martin Eden Dec 2011 #137

Why not "do what's right and . . ?" because his/our enemies CAN punish him by HURTING people. patrice Dec 2011 #192

I think I understand your point, thucythucy Dec 2011 #209

I honestly don't know why you bothered DevonRex Dec 2011 #36

And has managed an impressive amount of accomplishments in spite of all that. CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #37

Wow, it seems like all you talk about is a primary challenge to Obama. ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #48

Obama has already changed the way Washington works. Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #38

The legislative process is quite a bit more transparent than it was, but still not enough. patrice Dec 2011 #55

TBH, I'm not quite as optimistic as you are, but........ AverageJoe90 Dec 2011 #89

No, but i did think he'd try donheld Dec 2011 #39

I think we're all fucked no matter what Taverner Dec 2011 #40

That's what happens when you convince someone that you'll do something. ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #42

In fact, this thread is a good example of the "Flounder Syndrome." ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #44

I expected him to TRY Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2011 #47

Like it or not, his job was not to tip the train-wreck teetering on the edge of the cliff patrice Dec 2011 #54

patrice his job was to save it HangOnKids Dec 2011 #56

Tell me exactly how he could have gotten precisely the PRIVATE BUSINESS information he needed patrice Dec 2011 #64

He is the Pesident patrice HangOnKids Dec 2011 #67

Yeah, once again we're told he's ALL POWERFUL... or he's totally powerless... ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #70

"told he's ALL POWERFUL"?? LINK please. patrice Dec 2011 #193

Wow. You really do think he's a king. Wonder how the U.S.A. will feel when he orders PRIVATE patrice Dec 2011 #80

King? HangOnKids Dec 2011 #82

So you're going to discount the effects of MSM propaganda & commercialism? All Americans have patrice Dec 2011 #122

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Insults are the inevitable recourse of the weak. patrice Dec 2011 #126

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #127

If you don't understand, perhaps a question is in order. That is unless, your patrice Dec 2011 #129

So you prefer a culture of victimhood? patrice Dec 2011 #128

What the hell are you talking about? ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #57

The edge of a cliff thing HangOnKids Dec 2011 #60

Yeah. But admitting that doesn't keep Dems divided. ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #63

Victimhood again. What about autonomy? Those who do not WANT to be divided will NOT patrice Dec 2011 #156

You are assuming that YOU know with 100% validity what to hold him accountable for. patrice Dec 2011 #149

So, let it all go over into the abyss and THAT way we'll know for sure what of our financial patrice Dec 2011 #66

Again, what the hell are you talking about? ClassWarrior Dec 2011 #68

Private conversation in her head sums it up HangOnKids Dec 2011 #75

Our economy IS being held hostage, is it not? patrice Dec 2011 #77

Flubber and The Pit? WTF? HangOnKids Dec 2011 #72

to be perfectly honest,,,,he is doing pretty much what I expected..I knew he was a centrist Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #65

When you campaign on hope people are going to be left disappointed... Fearless Dec 2011 #71

You need to get a grip on the situation. First of all, the President got an anti-gay guy akbacchus_BC Dec 2011 #74

Guess what, to me, this isn't even that much about him. To me, it's about the best chances patrice Dec 2011 #76

Bet you know that more people you insure, the cost will be less ... Why the US does not have single akbacchus_BC Dec 2011 #79

I thought I was done for the night thucythucy Dec 2011 #210

"I think president Obama is doing the best he can" progressoid Dec 2011 #83

Well said. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #119

NOT true. I'm amazed you think he couldn't have done the war better. Assuming it was a given for him patrice Dec 2011 #152

The purpose of that war was not "WIN IRAQ" a simple pattern Dec 2011 #170

yeah, little boots did the best he could newspeak Dec 2011 #225

i've been disappointed, but maybe i expected too much. DesertFlower Dec 2011 #84

Highly Recommended! DeathToTheOil Dec 2011 #86

no, it's more like charlie having the football taken away newspeak Dec 2011 #136

I think having that much wool over your eyes would be very itchy. harmonicon Dec 2011 #87

It's only rationalizing when the other guy does it. (google Attribution Error in Social Psychology). patrice Dec 2011 #195

I mostly agree, although I believe Obama needs to start stepping up and KICKING ASS a little more... AverageJoe90 Dec 2011 #88

I expected Obama to DO what Obama SAID HE WOULD DO. period. 99th_Monkey Dec 2011 #90

+1 deutsey Dec 2011 #92

He's pretty much been what I expected, unfortunately deutsey Dec 2011 #91

There's really no need to patronize - TBF Dec 2011 #94

No, but I at least thought he'd try. Myrina Dec 2011 #98

We'll never know what he could have convinced the Democratic majority to do eomer Dec 2011 #99

He did promise to change the way we do business in DC WCGreen Dec 2011 #107

A foolish promise (or a disingenuous one), followed by a predictable result. eomer Dec 2011 #159

Nobody hear stated changing the country would be as easy as flipping a switch fascisthunter Dec 2011 #101

i've seen it implied often. it was primary framing for the RW media as soon as obama got in certainot Dec 2011 #151

1+++++++++++++ but I don't know whether to be happy or sad that they're hanging with us. patrice Dec 2011 #196

feel free to come out and accuse me of such a thing.... instead of implying it fascisthunter Dec 2011 #198

you wrote NO ONE here - i didn't imply anything about you certainot Dec 2011 #211

sorry certainot fascisthunter Dec 2011 #218

No, I never expected overnite success. Wait Wut Dec 2011 #103

You speak very precisely for me. That's exactly my experience. patrice Dec 2011 #200

Nope, starting with the McClurkin hate rallies Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #104

It's his judgement and lack of fight, not the results. Dawgs Dec 2011 #106

well said, Mr. Green Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2011 #109

He not only hasn't changed course, he has gone full speed ahead on some of the worst Bush Era abuses MNBrewer Dec 2011 #111

I didn't expect an overnight cure-all to 20-30 years of bad policies and bad decisions- Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2011 #112

Re Gitmo. I saw an analysis the other night, from a reliable source patrice Dec 2011 #202

I didn't realize that Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2011 #217

Yeah, he lacked the fortitude and will to just move or start trial proceedings TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #241

Right on the money krucial Dec 2011 #113

Re his getting ripped by Repukes: I think they're getting even for what a miserable fucking piece of patrice Dec 2011 #203

Yes . . . with Obama-for-America he could have mistertrickster Dec 2011 #114

What would have satisfied me - bhikkhu Dec 2011 #115

No Republicans, racists or otherwise, forced him to choose Timothy Geithner. That just 1 example. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #118

You do understand the nature of our particular corruption, don't you? Republicans aren't patrice Dec 2011 #121

"our particular corruption"? What do you mean "our," Kemo Sabe. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #132

Unless you're living completely off of "the grid" & surviving entirely on your own abilities, patrice Dec 2011 #144

I voted for him thinking he would try to stand up to that corruption, not use it as an excuse. n/t totodeinhere Dec 2011 #140

no, but i expected a difference shanti Dec 2011 #130

You can't undo 30-50 years of harm in four years. Orsino Dec 2011 #133

Nope had no hopes of that... SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #139

Certainly not. Centrists like Obama are too fond of the status quo. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #141

"how violent the reaction was to President Obama from the start" hfojvt Dec 2011 #142

It wasn't Bush's methods we objected to, it was the POLICIES yurbud Dec 2011 #146

What? Obama gave up on us FROM THE GET GO!! Roland99 Dec 2011 #153

a lot of new voters fell into the trap of high expectations set by the right media, espec RW radio certainot Dec 2011 #154

He's not doing the best he CAN. Cheap_Trick Dec 2011 #155

AND they CAN do a LOT more than just shoot a President, like start more wars and such. patrice Dec 2011 #157

then if that is the case newspeak Dec 2011 #224

They knew NNN0LHI Dec 2011 #160

Not a Liberal krucial Dec 2011 #161

I think he is what he does, and a lot of that is substantially the same as Bush leveymg Dec 2011 #162

I'll give you this one, because I believe... Modern_Matthew Dec 2011 #166

didn't expect a flick of a switch, but PatrynXX Dec 2011 #167

Besides- he cant fire any of the conservatives in his cabinet until we give him 300 Liberal Senators Dr Fate Dec 2011 #168

... Maven Dec 2011 #171

It's not just the numbers the mid-terms didn't produce. It's also the message that sent! patrice Dec 2011 #205

first of all "far left" newspeak Dec 2011 #223

Obama is the smartest man sulphurdunn Dec 2011 #169

Don't worry, if we can't lower expectations for Obama by next years election hughee99 Dec 2011 #172

If voting for him in 2008 could not change the course, why should we vote for him again? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #176

Obama is not a LEADER. This country needs a strong ethical compass OPPOSING those who Beam Me Up Dec 2011 #179

LOL Skittles Dec 2011 #180

Ah, the difference no "unrec" can make. It will change DU forever---until they bring it back. McCamy Taylor Dec 2011 #181

At least the first dozen replies aren't different variations of . . . caseymoz Dec 2011 #197

I don't think the "unrec" was a good idea. Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #206

He clearly lied to us all about his intentions. alarimer Dec 2011 #182

Well he got his daughters a dog. Lasher Dec 2011 #184

Politifact and the ENTIRE KNOWN UNIVERSE disagree with you Number23 Dec 2011 #188

Did he not campaign on "change"? Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #185

No, but he's not even attempting to change the course, and people Luciferous Dec 2011 #187

I already cut him a break. He broke it. caseymoz Dec 2011 #194

sorry, he failed fascisthunter Dec 2011 #199

Obama agrees to two month extension of unemployment and payroll tax cuts for 60 day review of oil julian09 Dec 2011 #201

watched KO last night newspeak Dec 2011 #220

Thank you WCGreen Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #204

Ummm.... yes they did think that Gman Dec 2011 #207

We should create fake positions, argue agianst them, ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #208

No, but most Americans who voted for him thought he would at least put up a fight MadHound Dec 2011 #219

Well Said, MadHound Paladin Dec 2011 #222

I did not expect him to fix it in a short time and I recognize that the rethugs are doing everything jwirr Dec 2011 #221

Worse is his position is generally in the neighborhood of where the TeaPubliKlans TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #227

Think about this for a moment jpgray Dec 2011 #232

Exactly, if you wanted "Change" you should have voted for a candidate running on that premise. NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #233

He's doing a good job and will continue to do so. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #239