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15. "carefully collected data to prove that it was a lone gunman" - Actually, they immediately knew that

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:27 PM

Nov 2013

it was a "lone gunman."

From the beginning, notwithstanding all of the hundreds of thousands in Dallas, the authorities were only looking for one person and claimed that Oswald was the only one involved.

If Oswald was the only one involved and used an Italian-made Carcano with a full-metal jacket 6.5 mm round that hit both Kennedy and Governor Connally, and if he purportedly also shot Kennedy, why did the second round explode upon impact like a frangible bullet? Two different types of bullets were used. Either that or the second full-metal jacket cartridge used by Oswald had an odd and unprecedented manufacturing defect.

The significance of the Carcano is that the Italians manufactured their rifles in more than one factory and re-used serial numbers with the result that multiple versions existed with the same serial number.

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Kennedy's assassination: Conspiracy or lone killer, I think the fact that we even ask the question [View all] hedgehog Nov 2013 OP

Conspiracy theories are fun. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #1

Exactly!!! aptal Nov 2013 #37

So is algebra. LanternWaste Nov 2013 #45

The Warren COmmission settled on their own conspiracy theory BlueStreak Nov 2013 #101

Any time some one mentions 911 while discussing JFK's JoePhilly Nov 2013 #106

Anybody who thinks the American public got the full story on either one of those is nuts BlueStreak Nov 2013 #107

because it was a national trauma i think - in a way that other assassinations haven't been el_bryanto Nov 2013 #2

Conspiracy theories are immune to facts. nt hack89 Nov 2013 #3

That statement is immune to logic. nt whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #6

Have you ever delved into the world of 911 Truth or Birtherism? hack89 Nov 2013 #8

I imagine Alfred Dreyfus, John Ehrlichman and all those involved in Iran-Contra would like to agree LanternWaste Nov 2013 #49

'Shhhh... actual thinking isn't allowed in conspiracy related threads! whistler162 Nov 2013 #58

It is RobertEarl Nov 2013 #4

I wonder how much the government of the Confederacy was involved in hedgehog Nov 2013 #10

Some people are closed minded and refuse to accept the massive evidence that Oswald killed Kennedy cpwm17 Nov 2013 #60

Bless you. RobertEarl Nov 2013 #63

The primary reason it wasn't a conspiracy.... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #65

A lone gunman does not preclude multiple "killers". RagAss Nov 2013 #5

Too many loose ends in the JFK saga not to have conspiracy theories even after 50 years. mc51tc Nov 2013 #7

Marina Oswald now says her husband was set up as 'a patsy' from India Today newspaper mc51tc Nov 2013 #19

Bush did not head up CIA at time of JFK's assassination. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #22

Thanks for the correction. mc51tc Nov 2013 #35

Bush was obviously CIA prior to being DCI in '75-76. Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #54

He had contact with the CIA, no question. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #64

The immediate reaction of various government groups, FBI, CIA, Armed Forces hedgehog Nov 2013 #46

this list is just as scary under any GOP president Hamlette Nov 2013 #55

IMO, the Warren Commission came closest. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #67

prolly about right Hamlette Nov 2013 #68

Evolution: fact or fiction? I think the fact that we even ask the question ieoeja Nov 2013 #9

I haven't seen too many CTs re the JFK assassination. I HAVE seen some disturbing, legitimate sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #11

JFK was hit with two bullets. One was a full-metal one which was recovered after hitting multiple AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #17

Well, they think that the words CT are an insult, but it has been used, oddly enough, so often sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #20

The purpose of "official investigations"... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #40

Forget the word conspiracy. It was a murder and there's no evidence Oswald fired a shot. Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #56

"There's no evidence Oswald fired a shot" zappaman Nov 2013 #57

Exactly HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #66

Maybe you should read Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry's book from 1969. Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #79

Eyewitnesses actually are often rather poor evidence.... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #85

Sure Oswald was seen at the Book Depository right before and after the assassination. Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #108

The signifigance of the choice of the Carcano is that the Italian manufacturer had multiple AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #99

My father used to say that it was the Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #82

I have seen too many CTs re the JFK assassination. zappaman Nov 2013 #12

Since you've proven (exhaustively) all those theories to be impossible whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #13

How about you pick one and show us how all the evidence fits? zappaman Nov 2013 #43

It's weird that so many intelligent people can believe that conspiracy theories are crackpot. Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #81

"That means that these people do not believe in the possibility of conspiracies." zappaman Nov 2013 #84

One exception to the Joint Chiefs of Staff was Marine Commandant Shoup who disagreed with a AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #92

It's the notion that so many people could conceivably have wanted to hedgehog Nov 2013 #14

Murder on the Dealey Plaza Express n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #28

"carefully collected data to prove that it was a lone gunman" - Actually, they immediately knew that AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #15

The single bullet.... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #105

CT'ers are scared shitless of two words... Archae Nov 2013 #16

A more interesting pathology is the mind that can't accept that conspiracies do sometimes occur. whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #18

those people are as impervious to logic and facts as CT nutjobs, then Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #23

My understanding is that rather than claiming the glory, hedgehog Nov 2013 #34

Oswald would hardly be the first accused murderer to claim innocence. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #41

An assassin is a special type of murderer - typically the assassin wants to take full credit hedgehog Nov 2013 #44

You think? nyquil_man Nov 2013 #47

Sic semper tyrannis hedgehog Nov 2013 #48

After which he ran for his horse and raced out of the area. nt nyquil_man Nov 2013 #50

nice circular logic. the fact that there is such a strong CT is proof there must be a conspiracy? Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #21

I'm not saying it was a conspriracy, just that it's hedgehog Nov 2013 #24

"so many people who seem to be rational on other topics" -- Key word: seem Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #26

A significant number of people still believe Area 51 harbored aliens, too. randome Nov 2013 #27

And a significant number of people still believe that nothing improper was done during the Watergate LanternWaste Nov 2013 #51

I rarely buy into conspiracy theories wercal Nov 2013 #25

The doctor at Parkland who worked on JFK mc51tc Nov 2013 #31

Surgeon in ER insists 2 gunmen shot JFK Doctor first to see Kennedy's wound mc51tc Nov 2013 #33

Bullets do strange things and bounce around like crazy wercal Nov 2013 #36

Initial News Reports Suggested Otherwise jberryhill Nov 2013 #29

For those of us who were alive then, it's stil too soon. hedgehog Nov 2013 #32

+1 nt MADem Nov 2013 #62

"It was all too big, too sudden, too overwhelming, and it meant too much." nyquil_man Nov 2013 #30

Oswald killed JFK, Ruby killed Oswald, Ruby dies in prison. Rex Nov 2013 #38

I guess the entire month of November is JFK tin foil month in GD... SidDithers Nov 2013 #39

No, the entire month of November is being dedicated to the 50th aniversary of the murder sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #59

"Conspiracy theories are true"/"Conspiracy theories are bullshit" is a false dichotomy. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #42

No. When Hillary Clinton said there was a "vast RW conspiracy" we didn't get out the foil, KurtNYC Nov 2013 #52

If there wan't a conspiracy, the government would unseal the records. SolutionisSolidarity Nov 2013 #53

How easy for a kid from the bronx streets get an early discharge from the USMC, CK_John Nov 2013 #61

His military career was less than stellar. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #71

Either it was one guy or it was not. Octafish Nov 2013 #69

This bullet that caused the wounds? zappaman Nov 2013 #70

Not really. Octafish Nov 2013 #72

Just firing a bullet flattens it like that? That doesn't sound likely. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #73

Are you relying on evidence produced by the Warren Commission to disprove the Warren Report? nt nyquil_man Nov 2013 #74

Another important piece of evidence is the absence of a second bullet as durable as CE399. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #77

So a full metal jacket bullet will NEVER shatter into fragments Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #86

You're too funny. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #89

Funny is your attempt at avoiding an answer. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #91

No, funny is your asserted belief that bullets designed to not fragment, when hitting tissue, AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #93

But the head shot didn't just hit tissue, now, did it? n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #94

Yes it did. Bone tissue and brain tissue. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #95

While you've got the dictionary open and are looking random words like disingenuous Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #96

You're still too funny. Do you think that everyone one should respond to your bait? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #97

I expect people to back up the things they assert about this event with facts. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #100

Another important piece of evidence is the absence of a second bullet as durable as CE399. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #102

There was no frangible bullet fired at JFK that day. See my #98 in this thread. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #103

John Kerry has doubts Oswald acted alone in the JFK assassination mc51tc Nov 2013 #75

How many remember this ???? RagAss Nov 2013 #76

i'm not a conspiracty theorist, DesertFlower Nov 2013 #78

So, one more time. Benton D Struckcheon Nov 2013 #80

One quick thing about the back brace. The Dallas doctors said he had a small brace around his waist. Zen Democrat Nov 2013 #83

Here's a picture of the back brace with JFK in it. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #87

The stretcher bullet is also different from the frangible bullet which exploded upon contact and AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #90

A frangible bullet did not strike JFK that day. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #98

Follow the money. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #88

Oy vey, he was whacked. Maybe he wouldn't escalate Vietnam. Maybe something else. valerief Nov 2013 #104