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Armstead

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124. I think the differene between us is I don't trust those bastards at all

Mon Feb 17, 2014, 07:43 PM

Feb 2014

From all evidence I can see, these versions of "free trade" are being negotiated by oligarchs, for the benefit of oligarchs and to the determent of civil society and the majority of people ultimately.

I don't know if the politicians like Clinton nd Obama who have pushed these things are either misguided, bought off or have simply become myopic because of who they hang with.

When Obama's Sec. of Commerce discussing free trade says "Well I was having lunch with Jamie Dimon..." to explkain how wonderful it is, something is terribly wrong.

At the VERY LEAST the information during the negotiations should be widely disseminated in a form that average people can understand, and put to the scrutiny of the political process BEFORE anything is written in stone.

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Obama is determined to push the TPP through despite opposition [View all] cali Feb 2014 OP

Cause he loves us so much? Scuba Feb 2014 #1

Well Robbins Feb 2014 #2

Remember when Obama was overheard saying he'd have more "flexibility" in his second term? Marr Feb 2014 #3

actually, he's been quite consistent on the issue cali Feb 2014 #4

well, that's just because we haven't given him both houses of Congress/ MisterP Feb 2014 #5

He's like a bulldog with a bone on this. Autumn Feb 2014 #6

Fundamental question: Maedhros Feb 2014 #84

Because Big Money favors TPP and doesn't like Single Payer Armstead Feb 2014 #86

Obama is mesmerized by wealthy people. Jakes Progress Feb 2014 #7

The advisers are smart... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #22

True, but Jakes Progress Feb 2014 #54

I suspect it's "speaking" in quotes Armstead Feb 2014 #87

And now we see what Obama will fight tooth and nail for quinnox Feb 2014 #8

“And understand this: If American workers are being denied their right to organize... Orsino Feb 2014 #125

"Members of Congress may also introduce a different Fast Track bill" ProSense Feb 2014 #9

what does that have to do with President Obama pushing this horrible "trade" deal? cali Feb 2014 #10

Well, it's a quote from the OP. I'd say ProSense Feb 2014 #16

Are you capable of using your own thoughts and words? cali Feb 2014 #17

Yes, ProSense Feb 2014 #18

Continue to post what others say. Dawgs Feb 2014 #31

Clearly ProSense Feb 2014 #32

Even more hilarious, ProSense Feb 2014 #33

Exactly. Propaganda must stand prepared to rewrite history on a dime. woo me with science Feb 2014 #61

+2006 solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #64

++++ Champion Jack Feb 2014 #101

Why is the "Transparent Government" president keeping it secret? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Feb 2014 #90

with the help of two democratic presidents the oligarchy can return america to the 1800`s. madrchsod Feb 2014 #12

but, but, but... he's the most liberal progressive president ever cali Feb 2014 #13

. ProSense Feb 2014 #15

OAS or ODS madrchsod Feb 2014 #19

What is DU coming to? 13 responses to the OP and DURHAM D Feb 2014 #14

if she win`s the presidency i`m sure she`ll be included..... madrchsod Feb 2014 #20

If Obama doesn't get this pressed through... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #24

She's worse. Armstead Feb 2014 #81

Should Obama wait for unanimity at home Progressive dog Feb 2014 #21

no. he should stop pressing for this big fat gift to corporations. cali Feb 2014 #25

No--he should govern for the benefit of the 99% eridani Feb 2014 #46

Are there 99% opposed to the TPP Progressive dog Feb 2014 #58

80% isn't good enough? eridani Feb 2014 #82

You claimed 99%, now it's 80%, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #99

Whatever percentage pays attention and doesn't have a direct benefit in the outcome Armstead Feb 2014 #83

If you relly want to end trade Progressive dog Feb 2014 #100

How will putting tariffs on goods from low wage countries end trade? eridani Feb 2014 #103

Obviously, it won't Progressive dog Feb 2014 #104

Bilateral trade negotiations can take care of that n/t eridani Feb 2014 #108

So we could have a NAFTA with Canada Progressive dog Feb 2014 #109

We actually got a "NAFTA with Canada" only in 1987. NAFTA just added Mexico to the mix. pampango Feb 2014 #113

"Besides, which, only a few sections of TPP deal with trade." pampango Feb 2014 #105

I don't recall saying I wanted to end trade, or trade agreements Armstead Feb 2014 #106

I think I could mostly agree with you if Progressive dog Feb 2014 #122

Okay I know this is Canada, but it is an example of how these things can be abused Armstead Feb 2014 #123

The intent of ISDS is to give a nondiplomatic Progressive dog Feb 2014 #126

Huge K&R. woo me with science Feb 2014 #23

Is he still determined to get his Social Security cuts too? We'll find out soon. Broward Feb 2014 #26

+1 woo me with science Feb 2014 #62

actually it says... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #27

no. and I can post anything I please as a title here in GD cali Feb 2014 #30

Here: ProSense Feb 2014 #34

but not the word "determined" you added that... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #35

lol. the story uses the word "push". and it's hardly a secret that he's made this a top priority cali Feb 2014 #37

still no word "determined" in the title... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #38

Do you believe he should be pushing it -- determined or not? Armstead Feb 2014 #71

I stand by the fact that "Determined" was most assuredly NOT in the title... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #73

I'm asking if you support his support of the TPP Armstead Feb 2014 #75

Yes I am going to because it misrepresents the article... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #76

Still didn't answer question. I'll make it easy Armstead Feb 2014 #78

24 hours and still no answer to your simple question neverforget Feb 2014 #120

Splitting hairs Armstead Feb 2014 #69

Yes it DOES make a difference VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #74

of course it's splitting hairs. that's all that those who are Obamacentric have. cali Feb 2014 #111

DURec. bvar22 Feb 2014 #28

Call this what it is . . . aggiesal Feb 2014 #29

Obama will have have a better reputation to posterity if he fails at this Jack Rabbit Feb 2014 #36

He said he would during the campaign and the American people reelected him. RB TexLa Feb 2014 #39

nonsense. that's just crap. Under the Constitution, Congress is delegated the authority cali Feb 2014 #40

They will give the president fast track authority and it will pass RB TexLa Feb 2014 #41

lol. yeah, you know so much that you make false claims about trade authority. cali Feb 2014 #42

And you just love the lower living standards that piece of legislative shit caused eridani Feb 2014 #47

Are these the same voices that tell you what news stories are important...? LanternWaste Feb 2014 #107

There are no voices that does that. The cable news networks commonly pick some local RB TexLa Feb 2014 #115

Trade agreements are agreements and not treaties. But nice try. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #43

It will be fast tracked and it will pass. You can't stop the future. RB TexLa Feb 2014 #44

The future is more poverty, death and planetary destruction-- eridani Feb 2014 #45

Yes, that's exactly what he wants. He hates working people making a living wage Elwood P Dowd Feb 2014 #48

And you described the US in the not too distant past. It's great for RB TexLa Feb 2014 #93

"You can't stop the future." That's a nonsensical statement. No one wants to try rhett o rick Feb 2014 #51

I support passage of the TPP. Economic isolationism and nationalism are mental RB TexLa Feb 2014 #52

What you oppose is democracy and what you support is corporate dominance. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #53

Exactly. Democracy and capitalism are not compatible. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #56

Negotiating international agreements is not anti-democratic. pampango Feb 2014 #77

If a community, state, or the country vote for a policy that then can be subverted TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #127

Do you recognize that global capitalism will eventually enslave the lower classes? rhett o rick Feb 2014 #55

So now you have been reduced to this old backup talking point when all else fails Elwood P Dowd Feb 2014 #59

yikes. you seem to think that it's either economic isolation or the tpp cali Feb 2014 #60

On Fareed Zakaria today, fadedrose Feb 2014 #63

Who the f---k is talking sbout "isolationism"? You're buying into Binary Bullshit Armstead Feb 2014 #67

People objecting to the TPP are "funny?" Maedhros Feb 2014 #85

I always favor interconnecting the world. That has never been something the Democratic party has RB TexLa Feb 2014 #92

Agreed. Republicans are much more determined to build walls not bridges between people. pampango Feb 2014 #96

What does that have to do with the TPP? Maedhros Feb 2014 #97

People here that support TPP don't care about that. They see the words "Free Trade" Elwood P Dowd Feb 2014 #116

Yah it's a laff riot.... Armstead Feb 2014 #89

Ecactly, the American people are idiots for not supporting this. Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #95

The Sonny BonObama Wholesale Copyright Theft of the Public Domain Generic Other Feb 2014 #49

Thank you Cali PuraVidaDreamin Feb 2014 #50

Big part of his pivot to Asia. I can see why he's anxious about it-- TwilightGardener Feb 2014 #57

Maybe he ought to pivot back to the f'in United States Armstead Feb 2014 #65

Just like Clinton did with NAFTA... kentuck Feb 2014 #66

Yep -- Different decade but same old corruption and elite arrogence Armstead Feb 2014 #68

"I’ll walk on that picket line with you as president of the United States.” Obama 2007 Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #70

Irrelevant ProSense Feb 2014 #72

squirm, squirm. deflect, deflect cali Feb 2014 #79

Hey, ProSense Feb 2014 #80

Excellent post. woo me with science Feb 2014 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author RAM49 Feb 2014 #88

Kick. woo me with science Feb 2014 #91

Thanks for the OP. djean111 Feb 2014 #94

Formulaic indeed. woo me with science Feb 2014 #98

you're so welcome. FTAs and fracking are subjects I intend to keep posting about cali Feb 2014 #112

My take on trade "deals" madville Feb 2014 #110

Mostly agree. The global lower and middle classes have benefited greatly in the last 25 years, but pampango Feb 2014 #114

Um no, it generally pushes everything downward Armstead Feb 2014 #117

There is no 'invisible hand' in international trade or in the domestic economy. pampango Feb 2014 #118

The invisible backslap.... Armstead Feb 2014 #119

I certainly agree with the advisability of adopting a German-like union system. pampango Feb 2014 #121

I think the differene between us is I don't trust those bastards at all Armstead Feb 2014 #124