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erronis

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28. WE (royal we) seem to be able to do anything WE want

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 08:31 PM

Mar 2014

If WE want to. If WE sense a way to make a whole lot of $$$ by building something across your property than WE will.

You talk about the NE corridor as being an exception. Of course, WE were able to take the properties from land-owners and tenants by some legalese (eminent domain/shmomain) and ram those steel rails right through the neighborhoods.

Betcha bottom dollar that if someone (WE) wants to build a pipeline straight through America's Heartland, WE will do so.

I thought the RRs were talking about moving N tons of freight M miles on 1 gallon of fuel. There ain't no way that you can get that 200+ passenger jet up into the air and crossing these fine USofA's without spending a whole lot more.

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Why can't we have nice things like this? [View all] Scuba Mar 2014 OP

Yer darn tootin'! This is America, Pal. And we are damn proud of our military, quinnox Mar 2014 #1

We should have both. PhilSays Mar 2014 #2

All we need to do is claw it back from the billionaires Warpy Mar 2014 #5

What do you mean we? WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2014 #15

We don't NEED both. pangaia Mar 2014 #32

We don't need the bloated military we've wasted trillions on. Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #98

Can't allow the hoi polloi to travel affordably, yunno Cirque du So-What Mar 2014 #3

Hey, if ya can't afford your own jet, you DESERVE to ride with the riffraff. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #45

Huge K&R! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #4

Two words: Brigid Mar 2014 #6

I hope you meant "fucking" as an adjective. Scuba Mar 2014 #7

Now that's just cruel! thucythucy Mar 2014 #12

I thought you were talking about Austrians demwing Mar 2014 #16

You should see this town's Wikipedia page jmowreader Mar 2014 #31

ROFLMAO ... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #81

I think you can appreciate this one jmowreader Mar 2014 #83

I have heard it before,...Thanks! yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #84

Hey, cool Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #151

I know right? yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #152

I've read it's the case that sign is set in concrete to prevent thievery. Probably so. kairos12 Mar 2014 #48

I agree but I am not sure how that would "satisfy" him. just sayin'. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #69

I did. Brigid Mar 2014 #23

It was worth it! nt thucythucy Mar 2014 #144

And if any country needs high speed trains it's the USA npk Mar 2014 #8

Not really. Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #14

Yes really AlbertCat Mar 2014 #18

Nye has it correct. Most people don't want to take three days by rail to get where they need to Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #139

It takes 3 days now, with Amtrak. cui bono Mar 2014 #141

Indeed AlbertCat Mar 2014 #147

the first transcontinental railroad and others were built over people's property WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2014 #21

Are you saying that respecting private property rights... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #54

Not at all, just pointing out history. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2014 #107

Public good supercedes private greed. We call it eminent domain. aquart Mar 2014 #153

WE (royal we) seem to be able to do anything WE want erronis Mar 2014 #28

yep - "we" don't seem to have a problem building a pipeline on people's property do we ?! Locrian Mar 2014 #110

While I agree on seizing property NewJeffCT Mar 2014 #41

The big problem with many of those routes is that you need a car to get to the station Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #46

Fortunately we all have an airport within walking distance of our homes. Scuba Mar 2014 #55

hah! pothos Mar 2014 #75

A+ ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #78

With visionaries like this in the Democratic Party, who needs Republicans? Maedhros Mar 2014 #111

Dont forget California quakerboy Mar 2014 #80

I really, really, really, really want to ride on one of those trains some day.. yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #82

I would have included California NewJeffCT Mar 2014 #85

Last I read it was still being contested quakerboy Mar 2014 #145

Don't forget San Diego to LA, lots of people travel that route. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2014 #108

High Speed from Atlanta to Nashville energumen Mar 2014 #109

OTOH, you can't fly a train into a building:) grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #65

This ^^^^^^^^^ treestar Mar 2014 #106

We need all the ground transportation we can get marions ghost Mar 2014 #114

The Northeast, the CA SD-LA-SF corridor, the great lakes region, Northwest Portland - Vancouver Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #134

There's one primary point to this discussion that no one's mentioned ..... Plucketeer Mar 2014 #133

We could nationalize the petroleum and lumber industries. That alone would knock the Koch Cleita Mar 2014 #9

Well, those are OUR resources. Scuba Mar 2014 #10

They are and we need to reclaim them for our use. n/t Cleita Mar 2014 #40

Or at least get better royalties. Why are the Norwegians receiving four times the royalty as we? Scuba Mar 2014 #52

Yep, from Cheney who was taking his orders from Wall Street 1%ers. eom Cleita Mar 2014 #56

Scuba Diclotican Mar 2014 #120

Norway had a pro. Our side had literally coked-up shills, literally screwing Big Oil's whores ... Scuba Mar 2014 #121

Scuba Diclotican Mar 2014 #131

America would do well to study Norway. Scuba Mar 2014 #132

Scuba Diclotican Mar 2014 #137

You do realize, don't you, that when a company is nationalized fair compensation needs to be paid? Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #11

I'm Sure We Could Figure this all Out fascisthunter Mar 2014 #13

You do realize that at some point in the future our operating systems WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2014 #25

Have we always paid fair compensation when assets were seized? erronis Mar 2014 #30

Here's how you do it. Cleita Mar 2014 #39

As an alternative to government ownership there are always co-ops Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #49

I agree. I actually once belonged to a telephone coop. It was so Cleita Mar 2014 #53

I belong to a power co-op, 2 credit unions, & a farm co-op. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #57

I think this how we take our government back and we start at a local Cleita Mar 2014 #58

Absolutely. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #61

We Don't Have to Renew Leases AndyTiedye Mar 2014 #72

When you throw in the taxes they should have been paying, but didn't... RC Mar 2014 #93

When we had to we put 2T on the table overnight. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #135

Now you're talking. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #42

It does. I have nothing against private companies doing the next step that is transporting Cleita Mar 2014 #44

We can't nationalize anything treestar Mar 2014 #64

Did anybody say anything about not paying some kind of reimbursement for Cleita Mar 2014 #66

The law here doesn't provide that treestar Mar 2014 #67

That's because the law is fucked up. We need to change those laws. Cleita Mar 2014 #68

Then nobody should own any land. treestar Mar 2014 #92

Believing in the commons, that certain things are commonly owned is not being Cleita Mar 2014 #95

How many feet down should people own the land they own? treestar Mar 2014 #100

So you would prefer that Chevron or Exxon gets it instead? Cleita Mar 2014 #101

Nonresponsive. treestar Mar 2014 #103

So let's start pushing them to pass a law. n/t Cleita Mar 2014 #104

How many miles out to sea do the people own? Cleita Mar 2014 #142

If your looking to the future and our rights to own the commons WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2014 #122

Private companies are already looking into commandeering fresh water resources, not only Cleita Mar 2014 #124

They are more than just looking into commandeering fresh water, WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2014 #129

I agree. It's how to get the PTB to do it. eom Cleita Mar 2014 #140

IF you own the mineral rights. maddiemom Mar 2014 #96

We already own the land. jeff47 Mar 2014 #97

You mean like Little george did for his baseball stadium? RC Mar 2014 #94

Not at all familiar with the seizure of assets from US citizens of Japanese descent, are you? mbperrin Mar 2014 #99

Is that the radiated carrier? dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #17

I see from the comments AlbertCat Mar 2014 #19

HSRail is electric.... and worse, socialist ErikJ Mar 2014 #20

+1 well said lunasun Mar 2014 #26

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #22

Why? We're sending our money overseas. 840high Mar 2014 #24

Because the 1% owns all your government. nt Zorra Mar 2014 #27

Civilization... bvar22 Mar 2014 #29

Bingo! And don't forget the tax money we're not getting from these. valerief Mar 2014 #33

^^^ marions ghost Mar 2014 #116

That, and the fact that we at least nominally respect labor and environmental rules. Brickbat Mar 2014 #34

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #35

Nail....Head.... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #36

What distinguishes our civilization is the inability to change. zeemike Mar 2014 #37

Those high speed trains are pretty comfortable, too NewJeffCT Mar 2014 #38

Are you sure about that combination of times and stops? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #43

pretty sure NewJeffCT Mar 2014 #50

We have, I believe, fifteen nuclear-powered Super Carriers now . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #47

Well no wonder we need more! Scuba Mar 2014 #59

We are most definitely still building them. another_liberal Mar 2014 #60

Ten. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2014 #62

The rest of the World . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #87

I think it's only 10 in service but we have 3 under construction. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #71

Thank you for posting this! That's exactly why. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #51

California is supposed to be getting a bullet train mackerel Mar 2014 #63

Is that the train that the taxpayers are going to pay for so the wealthy can shuttle back and forth rhett o rick Mar 2014 #70

No. And for general info, the "wealthy" FLY to Vegas. Freight has the right of way down Cajon Pass cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #77

You could drive without as much traffic tho marions ghost Mar 2014 #117

I plan on using it. Especially when my family from Australia comes over. mackerel Mar 2014 #150

Actually, it is absolutely nothing like what was voted for. That is the problem. Throd Mar 2014 #73

Yes. A high speed train to Nevada JimDandy Mar 2014 #126

Carlin nailed it... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #74

GM and Southwest made a fuss--but now the shoes are all on the other foot MisterP Mar 2014 #76

Bullet Train Envy is getting to be like what I've read about Penis Envy. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #79

Not an entire new rail system seabeckind Mar 2014 #91

Boeing actually did make a train once. BlueEye Mar 2014 #115

Yep new or radically improved high speed systems marions ghost Mar 2014 #118

Hell I would just be happy to have our gravel road paved! B Calm Mar 2014 #86

Let me tell you about "our cannon fodder" from Iraq and Afghanistan. dotymed Mar 2014 #88

Exactly! ctsnowman Mar 2014 #89

Indiana legislature is working on a mass transit bill seabeckind Mar 2014 #90

Why? Because most don't want it MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #102

The best part of this is that the Chinese are loaning us money Hoppy Mar 2014 #105

Did anyone mention the corruption involved in all this railway spending and the poor construction? sammytko Mar 2014 #112

vanity fair article sammytko Mar 2014 #113

we have "nice things". it's just that ours kill people. nt Javaman Mar 2014 #119

I Can Haz War? tomm2thumbs Mar 2014 #123

Cuz we can't "defend" ourselves from bogeymen with sissy trains. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #125

China plans to have both hack89 Mar 2014 #127

Yes, they're doubling their fleet, from one to two, neither of which will be nuclear powered. Scuba Mar 2014 #128

Their "aircraft carriers" aren't much more than helicopter platforms. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #136

In our future world we can't have both. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2014 #130

YEP. Rex Mar 2014 #138

Two aircraft-carrier task forces for each of the seven oceans is an essential element to indepat Mar 2014 #143

no! it is to defend us from, ummm, nobody else's navy. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #148

The only times I've ridden trains (bullet or otherwise) has been on European vacations. Hamilton Felix Mar 2014 #146

City center to city center in comfort all the way. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #149

It's not because we have a military jmowreader Mar 2014 #154