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JonLP24

(29,748 posts)
5. Its so hard to independently verify much of this
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 03:01 AM
Jan 2015

but it is very clear he saw this more as a game or some type of contest. He mentions all the killing led him to figure out ways to be "creative" and he also mentions "Our ROEs [Rules of Engagement] when the [Iraq War] kicked off were pretty simple: If you see anyone from about sixteen to sixty-five and they’re male, shoot ‘em. Kill every male you see. That wasn’t the official language, but that was the idea." Which is pretty interesting as this is very different from official ROE or the ROE directly from CENTCOM so I'm more interested in who gave this order. Generation Kill portrays a Marine battalion under an ROE that is always changing on the fly from the Battalion commander himself.

I certainly don't deny he saved lives, especially regarding the RPG story though I'm curious what were the circumstances for him providing sniper cover on an Army convoy (my job) when there are dozens on the road at a given time & so many others given "trip tickets" as they're coming back. I logged about 30,000 miles myself -- but it also appears he did a lot of this for fun, or sport, got an enjoyment out of it and I don't care who are or what the job asks of you, only a sociopath values human life as much in the same way Chris Kyle claims he did.

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This has bothered me since the first Iraq war HeiressofBickworth Jan 2015 #1
well said! n/t wildbilln864 Jan 2015 #22
Just one more reason not to see this movie. blackspade Jan 2015 #2
How about his spotter? JonLP24 Jan 2015 #3
He did what he was trained to do and saved lives glasshouses Jan 2015 #4
Its so hard to independently verify much of this JonLP24 Jan 2015 #5
Wasn't that the unwritten ROE in the taking of Fallujah? glasshouses Jan 2015 #8
I agree with the worst example part JonLP24 Jan 2015 #14
He was a 'savage' who took lives and signed up to do just that. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #7
Hundreds of thousands of men and women signed up also glasshouses Jan 2015 #10
Just mirroring Kyle's words: he had the nerve to describe the citizens under invasion and attack ND-Dem Jan 2015 #11
+1 BeanMusical Jan 2015 #16
K&R. who's the savage? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #6
the person who is worse than him is the bitter old roguevalley Jan 2015 #9
eastwood is worse than the savage and murderer because he made a movie that glorified the ND-Dem Jan 2015 #12
given that the effect of his movie will have on a roguevalley Jan 2015 #20
well, that's a good answer, but the even larger context for all of this is US actions in the ND-Dem Jan 2015 #21
Did he call the Iraqi people savages ? kwolf68 Jan 2015 #13
The *US* invaded Iraq. Please try to keep that in mind, because that's the context. Given ND-Dem Jan 2015 #18
I knew the world, some journalists and critics nilesobek Jan 2015 #15
Kick and R. BeanMusical Jan 2015 #17
Kick. Nt cwydro Jan 2015 #19
Kick for Truth. Octafish Jan 2015 #23
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