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XemaSab

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70. As a response both to your post and to my post following yours

Sun Jun 14, 2015, 07:33 PM

Jun 2015

One of the things I'm finding so fascinating about this story is the discussions of ethnic authenticity, and which parts of one's ethnicity it's okay to go all in with and which parts get left out.

I'm 1/4 Scots-Irish, and as a white person, I can be as Celtic as I want. I have a Scots-Irish last name, and I can "pass" as full-blooded with ease. Never mind the fact that it's only part of my heritage and that my dark McFro (three out of five on the nappiness scale!) is actually from the Swedish side, it's still something I can go all out with. I can be 110% Celtic and nobody's going to blink.

You've got an equal claim to that heritage, but according to the way race is constructed and defined in America today, your African blood somehow makes you not "authentically" Irish.....?

The idea that part of your heritage is somehow cancelled out by another part is so ridiculous. (I'm not saying you're ridiculous, I'm saying the "rules" are.)

I don't have to pick between my various Euromutt ethnicities. I can be Swedish, Scots-Irish, and German ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

White privilege, yo.

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links tammywammy Jun 2015 #120

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Just amazing!!! GGJohn Jun 2015 #187

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Reclaiming a hidden racial identity? XemaSab Jun 2015 #58

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By bringing forward the real facts which I just did. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #147

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Do you have a link to this?... TeeYiYi Jun 2015 #164

. countryjake Jun 2015 #166

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"Faking hate crime makes it harder for real victims of racism" countryjake Jun 2015 #217

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. gollygee Jun 2015 #189

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Yes, I saw that gollygee Jun 2015 #197

You & me, both. countryjake Jun 2015 #198

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I think kirotv got fooled by a parody account fishwax Jun 2015 #209

See, I wondered about that when I posted it on Sat. I tend to agree. countryjake Jun 2015 #211

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Because they aren't equivalent gollygee Jun 2015 #245

I see and accept her point. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #246

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Cody was wrong too. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #206

She probably suffered some traumatic experience ZX86 Jun 2015 #208

I support Caitlyn and Rachel. prayin4rain Jun 2015 #214

Transracial isn't a thing. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #219

Wrong. prayin4rain Jun 2015 #220

Don't assume I'm a fucking idiot. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #221

You claimed it was invented by some group/website. What word prayin4rain Jun 2015 #223

Liar, fraud. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #225

Wow. n/t prayin4rain Jun 2015 #226

Exactly my reaction when I saw Breitbart and VDARE getting pushed in your posts. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #227

Slate, actually. You are something else. prayin4rain Jun 2015 #228

Race is a social construct based on inherited traits. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #230

How about serial liar? GGJohn Jun 2015 #232

Yes, yes, burn the witch. No compassion, terrible person. Got it, got it, got it. n/t prayin4rain Jun 2015 #233

My compassion is with her parents, GGJohn Jun 2015 #234

WWhy Rachel Dolezal’s Fake ‘Transracial’ Identity Is Nothing Like Being Transgender gollygee Jun 2015 #222

I'm going to step in here... TeeYiYi Jun 2015 #235

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I'm with you, my friend... TeeYiYi Jun 2015 #237

Thank you, prayin4rain Jun 2015 #238

To take an identity that is not yours... Puha Ekapi Jun 2015 #239