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In reply to the discussion: If Rachel Dolezal wants to embrace black culture... [View all]TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)140. Michael Jackson...
...likely had body dysmorphic disorder and altered skin pigmentation from bleaching his skin. I'm a huge fan of Michael Jackson and continue to defend his right to alter his outward appearance in any way that made him happy.
Jackson's skin was a medium-brown color throughout his youth, but, starting in the mid 1980s, his skin gradually grew more pale through what was widely considered to be skin bleaching and changing of his features to appear European. According to Jackson biographer J. Randy Taraborrelli, Jackson began making his nose smaller around the same time his skin became very gradually lighter and that he was using the over-the-counter skin-bleaching cream called Porcelana to achieve the lighter skin. Taraborrelli reported that Jackson's sister La Toya used Porcelana too, and that they had crates of this cream stored at their family home Hayvenhurst, "hoarding it as the most valuable beauty product ever produced."[5] Jackson's physical changes gained widespread media coverage,[6] and provoked criticism from the public. African American psychologists argued Jackson was "a lousy role model for black youth". Dr. Dennis Chestnut said Jackson gave "black youth a feeling that they can achieve", but also may encourage some people to think they've got to be esoteric and idiosyncratic to be successful. It was also presumed that Jackson bleached his skin just to boost his career. Dr. Halford Fairchild stated Jackson and other African American celebrities would try "to look more like white people in order to get in films and on television".[7]
According to Taraborrelli, in 1986, Jackson was diagnosed with vitiligo, which Tarraborrelli noted was sometimes considered by doctors to be a consequence of damage done by bleaching chemicals over the years.[1] However, skin bleaching is not the only suspected cause of vitiligo which is a rare non-contagious disease. The causes are not known, but a range of genetic, auto-immune, and environmental causes are suspected. Between 1% and 2% of the worldwide population are considered to be affected. The depigmentation occurs in patches, and affects all ethnic/racial groups equally.[8] While the disorder cannot be cured, the progression of the patches can be stopped.[9]
New York plastic surgeon Dr. Pamela Lipkin, who has never treated Jackson or reviewed his medical records, said, "when you look at the other features, the skin bleaching sort of goes along with what I think was his quest for beauty, so I have to wonder what came first? Vitiligo or lighter skin?" Noting that Jackson had even skin tone when he was younger, Lipkin's interpretation was that "probably he's trying to look Caucasian: His skin is whiter. His nose is getting thinner every six months. His lips are getting thinner. His eyebrows are getting higher. His eyes are getting wider every time. His cheekbones are getting bigger."[10]
When producer Quincy Jones who worked closely with Jackson at the time Jackson's skin transformation began, was asked about Jackson's facial transformation he stated: "It's ridiculous, man! Chemical peels and all of it. And I don't understand it. But he obviously didn't want to be black...You see his kids?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson%27s_health_and_appearance[11]
According to Taraborrelli, in 1986, Jackson was diagnosed with vitiligo, which Tarraborrelli noted was sometimes considered by doctors to be a consequence of damage done by bleaching chemicals over the years.[1] However, skin bleaching is not the only suspected cause of vitiligo which is a rare non-contagious disease. The causes are not known, but a range of genetic, auto-immune, and environmental causes are suspected. Between 1% and 2% of the worldwide population are considered to be affected. The depigmentation occurs in patches, and affects all ethnic/racial groups equally.[8] While the disorder cannot be cured, the progression of the patches can be stopped.[9]
New York plastic surgeon Dr. Pamela Lipkin, who has never treated Jackson or reviewed his medical records, said, "when you look at the other features, the skin bleaching sort of goes along with what I think was his quest for beauty, so I have to wonder what came first? Vitiligo or lighter skin?" Noting that Jackson had even skin tone when he was younger, Lipkin's interpretation was that "probably he's trying to look Caucasian: His skin is whiter. His nose is getting thinner every six months. His lips are getting thinner. His eyebrows are getting higher. His eyes are getting wider every time. His cheekbones are getting bigger."[10]
When producer Quincy Jones who worked closely with Jackson at the time Jackson's skin transformation began, was asked about Jackson's facial transformation he stated: "It's ridiculous, man! Chemical peels and all of it. And I don't understand it. But he obviously didn't want to be black...You see his kids?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson%27s_health_and_appearance[11]
The Jacksons were traumatized as children by their father. In 2003, Joe Jackson admitted to whipping his children when they were young.
Who knows what the truth is behind Rachel Dolezal's upbringing? Ultimately, at some point, the truth will come out.
TYY
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It seems that she also wanted go be in the spotlight: in a starring role, not just part of
tblue37
Jun 2015
#173
IMHO, it would have been better if she said she empathizes with black folks and left it at that.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#26
I think if I was lying about who my father is, my parents would certainly set the record straight
tammywammy
Jun 2015
#82
Wow, those sure had to be set straight! Boy, better make sure to talk to the media!
kcr
Jun 2015
#88
I'm saying she wouldn't be splashed all over the media if it weren't for her parents.
kcr
Jun 2015
#200
LOL what dumb logic. By your logic, cheating is perfectly okay because who does it hurt?
Drunken Irishman
Jun 2015
#114
Completely false analogy. Jenner has medical studies and numbers. RD has....herself and lies.
WinkyDink
Jun 2015
#37
She is not black. The problem people have is that she told a whole bunch of lies.
bravenak
Jun 2015
#25
If they have always identified as black, and their parents have always identified, sure.
bravenak
Jun 2015
#29
Are you saying if your ancestors passed into whiteness its a one way trip?
Exultant Democracy
Jun 2015
#30
If they passed into whiteness as they left the plantation, their descendants are white.
bravenak
Jun 2015
#31
Having DNA vs. being a fabulist, and you see no distinction? Caitlyn isn't just Milton Berle in drag
WinkyDink
Jun 2015
#38
I wouldn't have thought people would be so vigorously defending a known liar.
tammywammy
Jun 2015
#112
And your POV is entirely valid. I don't accept her, myself--but I'm not gonna bury her, either.
MADem
Jun 2015
#159
+ a million. Very well said. I actually became tired after reading this OP and the responses within
Number23
Jun 2015
#76
You think that an area crawling with a bunch of rabid racists with verified actual attacks
kcr
Jun 2015
#117
Since we know she's a liar, is more likely than not that she's lying here too.
tammywammy
Jun 2015
#128
Those are are the alleged lies themselves. They didn't just spring forth from the ground, did they?
kcr
Jun 2015
#149
I believe she has done more than "pass." She has FABRICATED. She has not one scintilla of Black DNA.
WinkyDink
Jun 2015
#36
Nobody is denying her work, her passion, her goals. But the "Out of Africa" bit is a tad OTT. Plus,
WinkyDink
Jun 2015
#40
There's a whole lot wrong with this OP, but to address just one particular point,
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Jun 2015
#54
nope. rd has lost credibility by attempting to change her race. lying about her race did nothing
locdlib
Jun 2015
#87
Rachel Dolezal would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids
Capt. Obvious
Jun 2015
#172
1. Cody was wrong, too. OKAY? 2. Channing had the DNA, likd Tiger. 3. RD is not Black.
WinkyDink
Jun 2015
#174
Rachel has the right to be who she feels and believes she is. This poutrage about her is
Dont call me Shirley
Jun 2015
#176
I did not say or imply that Caitlyn decided she was female. What I am saying is:
Dont call me Shirley
Jun 2015
#243
Exactly my reaction when I saw Breitbart and VDARE getting pushed in your posts.
NuclearDem
Jun 2015
#227
Yes, yes, burn the witch. No compassion, terrible person. Got it, got it, got it. n/t
prayin4rain
Jun 2015
#233
WWhy Rachel Dolezal’s Fake ‘Transracial’ Identity Is Nothing Like Being Transgender
gollygee
Jun 2015
#222