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randome

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104. Good points but we're not talking about outlawing everything we don't like.

Thu Oct 6, 2016, 06:15 PM

Oct 2016

As far as prohibiting something, we're talking about France, really, and France is under no obligation to behave the way Americans dictate.

I don't have a problem with some beaches in France prohibiting a very common symbol of oppression. The residents there have a much different experience with culture clashes than we do. America is big enough that we don't feel 'overrun' by immigrants, although obviously some on the Right want to think that.

The hijab is clearly a symbol of oppression because Iran makes it so. That's the only reason they mandate it: because it "keeps the women in line".

I can understand saying it is not a symbol of oppression in America but even then it's hard to separate the origins of the oppressive laws from the garment itself.

I hope we can all agree on this: fuck Iran and it's embarrassing obsession with women's bodies.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

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‘I will NOT wear a hijab’: U.S. chess star refuses to attend world championships in Iran [View all] ericson00 Oct 2016 OP

Good for her. apcalc Oct 2016 #1

No sure if it's good lsewpershad Oct 2016 #23

Fuck those religious freaks. She is above having to wear that crap. Nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2016 #24

Yep. Let's be clear, this is religious bullshit, not some "cultural" stricture. stopbush Oct 2016 #26

I'm sure it's good mdbl Oct 2016 #25

Standing up to rigth wing extremism is good Democat Oct 2016 #33

Yea, women should put up and shut up get the red out Oct 2016 #92

How is this not good? GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #117

Damn straight. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #2

Not the same. And no one is forcing anyone to not wear something. randome Oct 2016 #14

The hijab is a symbol of oppression to you, and those that are forced to wear it. Exilednight Oct 2016 #22

Indeed ck4829 Oct 2016 #27

maybe the symbols of oppression are all that makeup she is wearing msongs Oct 2016 #42

What makes you think this is hijab? You do know there is a difference between a headscarf and hijab Squinch Oct 2016 #105

How would you EVER know if someone is being oppressed or not? You can't know. randome Oct 2016 #45

It's not an all or nothing absolute. How do you know that Exilednight Oct 2016 #66

No one knows but the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of that. randome Oct 2016 #72

When the law requires women wear it get the red out Oct 2016 #93

I'm not sure what you're replying to. Exilednight Oct 2016 #95

You are incorrect GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #118

I'm not sure what you're replying to. Exilednight Oct 2016 #135

i feel it is more complicated. Many are wearing it because of direct or indirect pressure patsimp Oct 2016 #48

I agree with that , but we can't kneejerk and go the complete Exilednight Oct 2016 #68

Drug to temple? oberliner Oct 2016 #114

A Jewish church. Some call them Synagogues. Exilednight Oct 2016 #134

Never heard "drug to temple" used to describe a synagogue oberliner Oct 2016 #136

Drug: Exilednight Oct 2016 #137

Aha! oberliner Oct 2016 #138

The Mayor of Cannes runs the film festival? jberryhill Oct 2016 #36

I don't know about his political leanings but i doubt he'd help pass a rule like this w/o support. randome Oct 2016 #44

it's very simple. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #78

I completely agree patsimp Oct 2016 #47

I think people should be allowed to decide for themselves what the fuck to wear, or not. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #73

So white sheets and Nazi armbands are okay with you? randome Oct 2016 #96

Um, yes, because I understand how the 1st Amendment works. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #100

Good points but we're not talking about outlawing everything we don't like. randome Oct 2016 #104

Yes, we can agree. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #106

This. There should be more laws wrt what is allowable to wear. scscholar Oct 2016 #101

Good. I sure as hell wouldn't but Missn-Hitch Oct 2016 #3

Good for her. Islam is anti-woman and we should not accommodate their backwards belief system. scheming daemons Oct 2016 #4

No multiculturalism for you. Rustyeye77 Oct 2016 #107

It isn't about "multiculturalism." It is about fundamentalist religion making women servile emulatorloo Oct 2016 #133

Really? brucefan Oct 2016 #5

Yes really. MicaelS Oct 2016 #7

Well, just phuket... ret5hd Oct 2016 #9

words have different meanings in different languages! AlbertCat Oct 2016 #62

Or, as we say in Germany, "what's in a name?" DFW Oct 2016 #110

Assyrians use that name as well eissa Oct 2016 #19

It's also a man's name in Turkish. athena Oct 2016 #63

Ironically, the origin of the name is Farsi. athena Oct 2016 #69

Fantastic. n/t MicaelS Oct 2016 #6

But wait! The good folks here at DU tell me Muslim women wear hijabs by choice! davidn3600 Oct 2016 #8

Yes, they choose not to be beaten or killed if they don't wear them nt Revanchist Oct 2016 #10

Some have the choice to wear it or face consequences that can be dire depending on the country patsimp Oct 2016 #49

But, but, hijab is classy and mainstream now! Codeine Oct 2016 #11

Everybody's wearing one they're so popular there! Marr Oct 2016 #131

Good for her indeed. cwydro Oct 2016 #12

“do everything I can to help more girls get into chess.” Ohioblue22 Oct 2016 #13

She's teaching girls self-respect, which is more important than chess. nt DLevine Oct 2016 #15

Men in NYC, SF and Scotland feel free to rock whatever bottoms they want .... bettyellen Oct 2016 #58

Exactly! There is no law against men wearing skirts or dresses. athena Oct 2016 #64

Im not even allowed to wear cargo shorts, anymore Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #86

There is no law making you wear pants GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #119

Bikini bottoms ...lol I couldn't do that to my neighbors....eom Ohioblue22 Oct 2016 #125

I hope I am oppressed GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #126

Ridiculous! It's like mandating Iranian women to wear bikini's if they came here !! Cakes488 Oct 2016 #16

Don't give Trump any ideas ... (nt) JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2016 #17

It should be a choice to wear one and it should be a choice to not wear one ck4829 Oct 2016 #18

Good for her eissa Oct 2016 #20

they want women oppressed everywhere Skittles Oct 2016 #31

agreed patsimp Oct 2016 #50

This is interesting given the celebration of the hijab at the Olympics just 2 months ago. MadDAsHell Oct 2016 #21

The issue is not the hijab ... the issue is scheduling a world championship in a place where ... etherealtruth Oct 2016 #28

And that is the real point. LisaM Oct 2016 #38

Exactly!!!! etherealtruth Oct 2016 #39

The same NCAA who hosts bowl games in the anti-LGBT Bahamas every year, including this December? MadDAsHell Oct 2016 #56

I certainly can't argue with that. LisaM Oct 2016 #75

One question though.. LisaM Oct 2016 #87

Fair question. I assume the NCAA has to sanction the game though. MadDAsHell Oct 2016 #91

They should, but.... LisaM Oct 2016 #141

cute, but NOTHING mandatory is empowering. eShirl Oct 2016 #30

welcome to the great big logical fallacy that is the cultural left Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2016 #35

The thing itself doesn't empower OR oppress. It's a scarf, basically. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #77

Good for her, I would never wear one either. CharlotteVale Oct 2016 #29

Standing up to right wing extremism Democat Oct 2016 #32

The core belief of the cultural left is West = Bad Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2016 #37

Bingo. 100 % on the money. MicaelS Oct 2016 #57

yeah, well, some people are fucking idiots. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #74

You nailed it. romanic Oct 2016 #82

Baloney apcalc Oct 2016 #90

I guess you missed the Charlie Hebdo threads. Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #108

Missed those threads.... apcalc Oct 2016 #109

apparently you "can't shout fire in a crowded theater", no sir Warren DeMontague Oct 2016 #111

Now that you mentioned that GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #121

It even has a name Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2016 #129

We make women cover their breasts, which is every bit as oppressive. cheapdate Oct 2016 #34

which is every bit as oppressive. AlbertCat Oct 2016 #43

If you can't see that the two situations are essentially identical cheapdate Oct 2016 #51

Not quite as identical as you may think. randome Oct 2016 #53

I recognize that. cheapdate Oct 2016 #80

Maybe all decisions about women's bodies should be made by a conclave of women only. randome Oct 2016 #98

If women want to go topless fine. MicaelS Oct 2016 #59

Fine? It's against the law in about 99.9% of the United States. cheapdate Oct 2016 #76

I support changing the law. MicaelS Oct 2016 #81

Whether or not it's "important" to me isn't the point. cheapdate Oct 2016 #83

Disagree. MicaelS Oct 2016 #85

Are women marching to have the freedom to uncover their breasts davidn3600 Oct 2016 #88

I'm no friend of Iranian theocracy. cheapdate Oct 2016 #99

No it isn't . It is completely legal in New York for instance. Now there are 50 states CBGLuthier Oct 2016 #120

The legal landscape in New York cheapdate Oct 2016 #127

If you can't see that the two situations are essentially identical... AlbertCat Oct 2016 #61

Oh, so that's the important difference? cheapdate Oct 2016 #79

Oh brother.... AlbertCat Oct 2016 #89

"Oh brother" is right. cheapdate Oct 2016 #94

Stable, monogamous, societies have existed at many times ... AlbertCat Oct 2016 #97

Yeah, you are going to have a really hard time convincing people of that. kcr Oct 2016 #143

Personally I think men who wear tank tops or half shirts in public should be shot. JanMichael Oct 2016 #102

Everyone who isn't me annoys me sometimes. cheapdate Oct 2016 #103

I'll allow flip flops, but if they are also wearing socks; gas chamber. AtheistCrusader Oct 2016 #140

Just another reactionary refusing to promote tolerance & diversity Marengo Oct 2016 #40

if we support the ncaa pulling shit from carolina we need to support her on this dembotoz Oct 2016 #41

Good for her - she is a hero patsimp Oct 2016 #46

Who on Earth names their daughter "Nazi"?! KamaAina Oct 2016 #52

Georgians do. MicaelS Oct 2016 #54

Iranians do, too. athena Oct 2016 #65

Who on earth names their son Božo? DFW Oct 2016 #112

Probably the same people who named a son Stanko whathehell Oct 2016 #128

Who names their sons GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #123

I work with one Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2016 #130

I can't get past someone being named Nazi BainsBane Oct 2016 #55

Well obviously she's happy with it MicaelS Oct 2016 #60

Please let's try to accept that there is more than one language in the world. athena Oct 2016 #67

More than one language in the world BainsBane Oct 2016 #70

OK, more than two languages, then. athena Oct 2016 #71

She is Russian. I think if the Russians can get over it, maybe you should too. CBGLuthier Oct 2016 #122

Are you multilingual? GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #124

I do not blame her Gothmog Oct 2016 #84

When I visited Iran two years ago I had to wear a hijab dhol82 Oct 2016 #113

Good for her ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2016 #115

What were the organizers thinking? Marr Oct 2016 #116

I wouldn't either. Starry Messenger Oct 2016 #132

Good for her. NaturalHigh Oct 2016 #139

Nobody should be forced to put on or take off clothing, because some invisible sky daddy Rex Oct 2016 #142