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muriel_volestrangler

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41. You have no evidence for your "10% would be saved by a helmet"

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:06 PM

Jun 2012

and I think it sounds ridiculous. I don't think that many car deaths are caused by an impact to the parts of the skull protected by a helmet, and I don't think you can also say "and all of them would have been prevented by a helmet".

You are the one putting forward the hypothesis that few others accept; it's up to you to provide some numbers for it.

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Mandatory helmet wearing in cars would save many more lives than on motorcycles or bicycles.. [View all] Fumesucker Jun 2012 OP

Satire? Zalatix Jun 2012 #1

Different perspective.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #15

I think to be really safe we need a helmet that Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #44

Love how people expect others whistler162 Jun 2012 #67

A premise with no underlying, peer-reviewed valid data can only be considered as such. LanternWaste Jun 2012 #38

Only if head injuries were the killer NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #2

+1 nt MADem Jun 2012 #25

If everyone in cars was wearing helmets the death rate would not drop? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #27

You provide no data to support otherwise jberryhill Jun 2012 #29

Ooh.. Doubly fatuous.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #31

No, and the overall injury rates would go up ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #37

NASCAR has solved that problem with Head and Neck Restraint System FarCenter Jun 2012 #42

It works great for racing, not really practical for the street. ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #62

Sounds like it works great when driving in a circle. NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #64

You'd have to be good with the mirrors....... Mopar151 Jun 2012 #68

The limited head movement is unreasonable for normal driving NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #72

Not really NASCAR;'s solution Mopar151 Jun 2012 #71

That's why airbags are so important. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #3

I think the OP is right. (But also wrong) cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #9

So the argument for mandatory helmets factors inconvenience? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #14

Because cars have other safety technologies at work. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #18

Are you arguing that mandatory helmets in cars wouldn't save lives? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #20

Mandatory helmets in cars would certainly save lives metalbot Jun 2012 #39

What I said was... cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #19

I wouldn't be surprised if more people are killed indoors than outdoors these days.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #23

Falls in the home kill more people than cars jberryhill Jun 2012 #30

If you also mandate compulsory use of the HANS device in the vehicle Brother Buzz Jun 2012 #4

full cage and four-point harness frylock Jun 2012 #53

Shit, lets mandate a belt AND suspenders.... Brother Buzz Jun 2012 #56

The way some people drive, B Calm Jun 2012 #5

Yeah, if they were rally drivers. You want to know what would save lives in cars? Seriously? flvegan Jun 2012 #6

Tell me about it.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #11

It's a shame. flvegan Jun 2012 #13

That looks like a hand, just to the left of the truck's license plate Art_from_Ark Jun 2012 #59

Don't think a helmet would have helped much. Meg_Griffin_1 Jun 2012 #69

I would respectfully add... Understand the Rules of the Road. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #22

Brain injuries in cars are mostly caused by sudden deceleration. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #7

Mostly.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #8

More like "assuming you are driving a reasonably modern car produced in a country with civilized LeftyMom Jun 2012 #10

Would you consider 90% "mostly"? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #12

You have no evidence for your "10% would be saved by a helmet" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #41

OK, make it 5%.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #58

Beg to differ cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #16

A helmet would add weight, increasing that whiplike effect. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #17

Have you worn a modern bicycle helmet? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #24

False comparison jberryhill Jun 2012 #32

The way the bicycle is discussed here it's an inherently unsafe vehicle.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #34

Irrelevant - Do you ride in Denmark or Holland? jberryhill Jun 2012 #57

Mandatory bicycle helmets are applauded by practically all on DU as being a great idea.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #60

what is the significance of denmark not requiring helmets? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #33

I just think it's interesting that a really bicycle centric culture dismisses helmet use.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #35

A helmet would not change the deceleration jeff47 Jun 2012 #49

+ billion coup-counter coup. That's the technical name. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #46

Yes, it will cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #47

Not at seventy miles nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #48

What are you arguing? cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #54

Ok whatever, have a good day nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #55

You are 100% correct! Ignore the clueless! Logical Jun 2012 #21

Helmet laws are not just about saving lives. They're also about reducing... TheMadMonk Jun 2012 #26

Is your point then that additional protection would not help prevent/reduce head trauma? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #28

Under most circumstances not a great deal INSIDE a car. TheMadMonk Jun 2012 #40

Number of cars:number of motorcycles/bicycles =illogical argument REP Jun 2012 #36

We'll lose all 50 states if Democrats support this Ter Jun 2012 #43

I love satire nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #45

Lovely assumptions. I'm gonna make my own. jeff47 Jun 2012 #50

I would think that being belted in and having more weight on your head would lead to more..... NCTraveler Jun 2012 #51

"Per vehicle mile traveled, motorcyclists' risk of a fatal crash is 35 times greater... Skinner Jun 2012 #52

Perhaps I already know that point and I'm trying to make a different point? Fumesucker Jun 2012 #61

Defensive riding and driving, along with attentive riding and driving MineralMan Jun 2012 #63

Calling numbers "high" or "fairly reasonable" is not my idea of "science." CBGLuthier Jun 2012 #65

Setting aside the specific proposal, Vattel Jun 2012 #66

Let's just mandate full body armour B2G Jun 2012 #70