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Ms. Toad

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163. There are special laws for 55+ communities,

Mon Aug 7, 2017, 01:23 PM

Aug 2017

Which also impose additional obligations related to the (presumed) special needs of that population. But - those communities also have to accept individuals with certain disabilities of any age (my knowledge of the details of the law are fuzzy as to whether it is all, or merely certain ones).

But anyone with money to invest can choose to invest it in any legal project - so if the investors are choosing to invest in developing communities that are lawfully permitted to discriminate based on age (as 55+ communities that meet the other restrictions are) - rather than in developments that accept everyone, it isn't unlawful discrimination.

If, on the other hand, they chose to invest in whites only or blacks only communities, then it would be unlawful discrimination.

Aside from which, if you want new construction you can always build your own house - so you're not exactly SOL.

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'BY WOMEN, FOR WOMEN' Vegan cafe charges male customers 18 percent man tax and seats women first i [View all] sheshe2 Aug 2017 OP

Id eat there Eko Aug 2017 #1

So, discrimination is okay as long as it aligns with your biases? brooklynite Aug 2017 #3

So leaving us behind is okay if it aligns with your beliefs? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #7

Yes, like on choice. Laffy Kat Aug 2017 #115

Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #127

It has nothing to do with any "bias" for me. Eko Aug 2017 #12

I love you Eko!!!! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #19

My mom raised me and my two brothers alone. Eko Aug 2017 #23

Thank you Eko. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #29

Thank you, dude. 😬 MLAA Aug 2017 #63

Thank you for what? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #99

I was thanking Eko (he declared himself a dude) for supporting the cafe. I too support it.😃 MLAA Aug 2017 #192

Got it. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #193

np 😉 MLAA Aug 2017 #194

except that you clearly have a bias hfojvt Aug 2017 #155

Why do you see this as discrimination rather than a legitimate effort to redress the "female tax" Squinch Aug 2017 #20

Because it's not specific to the people who did the original bias. That's the definition of ... Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #73

I call it the "death gap" Lord_at_War Aug 2017 #104

You are a bit naive. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #119

so now you are arguing that janitors make too much money? hfojvt Aug 2017 #159

Can you read? Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #197

actually you did hfojvt Aug 2017 #203

I said, "Janitors get paid more than maids." I did NOT say, "Janitors are overpaid." Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #204

"Agree there's discrimination, but....." just NOPE. Obvs YOU had shitty teachers though.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #179

If for one hour, the men who are voluntarily there experience what most women live with politicat Aug 2017 #107

I'm against discrimination. You're making it sound like a funsie "volunteer" thing. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #118

Let's re-work your notion. politicat Aug 2017 #140

Exactly. And the males being charged more for the sins of others are not being charged "voluntarily. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #143

Someone is marching men at gunpoint into this vegan cafe? Squinch Aug 2017 #169

I don't care much either hfojvt Aug 2017 #158

You didn't REALLY write that, did you? pangaia Aug 2017 #39

Did I describe charging one group more than another "discrimination"? brooklynite Aug 2017 #130

So much for "nothing but positivity from everyone, males and females" Rob H. Aug 2017 #51

well men, all men, including white males especially heaven05 Aug 2017 #124

How is leveling the playing field "discrimination"? Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #132

Fun fact: my wife makes 20X my salary... brooklynite Aug 2017 #133

Anecdotal evidence to make a point about gender. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #135

Before I answer that question mercuryblues Aug 2017 #142

Answers brooklynite Aug 2017 #144

So you have different jobs mercuryblues Aug 2017 #167

I work for the Government; we don't discriminate. brooklynite Aug 2017 #178

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #212

I've been trying to come up with something to compare the current "accept pro-life anti-choice uppityperson Aug 2017 #2

This would be completely illegal in California taught_me_patience Aug 2017 #4

LOL!!! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #9

As a Californian, I'm thankful it would be illegal. David__77 Aug 2017 #18

I want everyone to receive th same pay for the same service pangaia Aug 2017 #42

+1000 sheshe2 Aug 2017 #74

Yeah, I want that too. But it usually doesn't happen. The only reason people are outraged Squinch Aug 2017 #48

I would also oppose a tax on women. David__77 Aug 2017 #67

I agree. This is blatant discrimination against people who likely have nothing to do with the... Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #75

We already have unequal accommodations. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #76

Stepping on a random person's toes because someone steps on yours just makes a lot of sore feet. X_Digger Aug 2017 #200

In what way are you opposing the "taxes" women pay every day for goods and services? Squinch Aug 2017 #170

California businesses should not charge women or men a sex-based "service charge." David__77 Aug 2017 #173

I guarantee you that there are plenty of businesses who are violating that law. Just like Squinch Aug 2017 #174

I understand what you're saying. David__77 Aug 2017 #176

In the meantime, I still pay more for everything. Squinch Aug 2017 #177

And I imagine that passage of a law would not be enough. David__77 Aug 2017 #180

So I have to pay more and bring a law suit. You just need to bring your shirt to Squinch Aug 2017 #181

I definitely think that the law should allow for recouping of legal fees from non-compliant parties. David__77 Aug 2017 #187

LOL! Or maybe we could just support the people who do things to point out the Squinch Aug 2017 #190

I understand, and would not agree with sex-based accommodations discrimination. David__77 Aug 2017 #191

this would be so spiderman17 Aug 2017 #5

And yet it's done to women all the time in every aspect of life in the US. Squinch Aug 2017 #10

Thank you Squinch. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #14

Once, out of curiosity I compared two deodorants at CVS. BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #87

Well forced ultasounds should be illegal but are not in some states. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #26

where spiderman17 Aug 2017 #69

You are new. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #80

both links say spiderman17 Aug 2017 #96

I pay for your viagra. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #98

Not only that, but everyone is born. KitSileya Aug 2017 #120

I predict that the poster will be with us a long time Orrex Aug 2017 #147

you're making spiderman17 Aug 2017 #153

Do women get prostate cancer, suffer from ED, etc.? George II Aug 2017 #122

It actually would depend on the state and or locality. Many places in the US permit such pricing... PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #46

I believe that's only when there is a difference in the service. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #78

It's not. They charge more for services and things like razors and other items Ninsianna Aug 2017 #110

Generally speaking, it takes longer to do women's hair than men's. And that's a fact. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #117

For some women it might Bettie Aug 2017 #128

Nope. Generally speaking, it takes longer to "do" women's hair. So say hairstylists. They are free.. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #145

Not true. It costs me more to get a simple trim ( I mean real simple ) and Doreen Aug 2017 #113

Not YOU. Not a particular person. But in general it takes longer to do women's hair. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #116

OK, let me be general then. I have known men who have long hair and get it colored Doreen Aug 2017 #152

So you're okay with a surcharge for women's and girls' products? crazycatlady Aug 2017 #54

both men and women spiderman17 Aug 2017 #71

No force. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #100

Women have been forced to pay more for ages crazycatlady Aug 2017 #123

+ Infinity! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #154

And they can choose not to go to this particular cafe Bettie Aug 2017 #126

just curious spiderman17 Aug 2017 #150

First: They don't say Bettie Aug 2017 #160

No, it's not. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #134

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #6

Some of us, male or female, would pay 0%. bluepen Aug 2017 #8

You'd not eat a vegan meal? Once? uppityperson Aug 2017 #22

I wouldn't call it a meal. bluepen Aug 2017 #64

How about a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? uppityperson Aug 2017 #94

Pretty good snack. bluepen Aug 2017 #95

Pbj, tomato soup, chips, glass of juice vegan uppityperson Aug 2017 #105

Yep. Good snacks. Not meals. bluepen Aug 2017 #108

Fine meal, eaten by my dear old dad most of his working life for lunch. uppityperson Aug 2017 #109

Cool bluepen Aug 2017 #111

It was amusing to discover he didn't know how to make a sandwich at 60 yrs old. uppityperson Aug 2017 #112

Ah. Bet you do. My husband had to search for the can opener Hortensis Aug 2017 #156

Milk and eggs in the bread? brooklynite Aug 2017 #131

not necessarily uppityperson Aug 2017 #146

Happy to see a vegan threat where us vegans don't get bashed. mucifer Aug 2017 #11

Give it time. nt Codeine Aug 2017 #16

Don't take any crap..keep saving furry friends, the planet and your health. 😀 I'm with you MLAA Aug 2017 #65

Gol-danged Radical Vegan Terrists putting it to us men! JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2017 #188

Thanks! mucifer Aug 2017 #199

Nice statement, but I doubt it will last long. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #13

They could argue that it is a form of affirmative action aimed at reducing the pay gap. Squinch Aug 2017 #17

Unless the interpretation of their laws is vastly different than the US, Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #21

So then how are dry cleaners allowed to charge women three times what men pay to clean a shirt? Squinch Aug 2017 #24

Take it to court, and you'd win, Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #28

So an 18% tax on a veggie burrito is the same thing. It's no different, and the fact that this Squinch Aug 2017 #32

As I said - take it to court and you'd win. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #50

So you are pointing out another, much bigger, female tax here. Squinch Aug 2017 #59

That's always the way it is, unfortunately. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #82

Because the woman's shirt is made from Motownman78 Aug 2017 #30

It's almost universal in NYC. And no, not based on fabric. Just gender. Squinch Aug 2017 #33

Rampant though it may be, gender-based pricing is actually illegal in New York City. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #55

So, as I said up thread, in order to end the discrimination of the higher price of the Squinch Aug 2017 #62

They do it in motown too, and it has nothing to do with fabric or the ruffles etc. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #85

There is no US federal law that prohibits gender-based pricing. States and localities may have such PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #53

I never did. The dry cleaners charged the same. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #81

NOt the case for housing crazycatlady Aug 2017 #125

There are special laws for 55+ communities, Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #163

glad to hear they are ok with an 18% extra charge placed on women as well nt msongs Aug 2017 #15

They aren't ok with it. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #136

What say a rich white republican women walks in brettdale Aug 2017 #25

It sounds like they would tell the black man to move. David__77 Aug 2017 #31

Wow. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #91

I support equality in public accommodations. David__77 Aug 2017 #93

Where did it say patrons would be removed from their seats? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #101

It didn't. David__77 Aug 2017 #102

First, don't make stuff up when it was not said. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #103

Yes it says women are seated first. David__77 Aug 2017 #106

Well I see nothing in the article stating anyone would be thrown out of their seat. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #40

It is a fantastic way to publicize the real discrimination suffered. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #27

I think its horrible and shows the hypocrisy of some in the left brettdale Aug 2017 #34

Are you horrified by the fact that women's haircuts cost more than men's? That women are Squinch Aug 2017 #44

Punishing innocent people for the sins of others is the essence of discrimination. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #84

What goes around comes around. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #97

My last HR Director. You can call her. It's just business. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #196

I'm an innocent person who is "punished" every day in this way. So are you if you are female. Squinch Aug 2017 #171

That doesn't give you a right to punch person X because you were hurt by person B. That's wrong.nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #195

I haven't punched anyone and I don't plan to. But I'd support this restaurant if it were Squinch Aug 2017 #198

That is punching. That's wrong. People either believe in discrimination or they don't. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #201

No, it's not punching. It's eating a veggie burrito. There's a difference. Squinch Aug 2017 #202

Discrimination is punching, in the meaning that you used the word. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #205

Did you misread when I said "punish" as "punch?" Because I never said "punch." You did. Squinch Aug 2017 #206

I'm sorry you're uninformed on this topic. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #209

LOL! I have plenty of experience with the business world and Squinch Aug 2017 #210

Please get a life and quit stalking me. We disagree on this. I believe discrimination is wrong. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #213

Stalking you!!! You did give me a laugh! Thank you for that. Squinch Aug 2017 #214

The left wing activist sounds like an anti-Semite to me. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #47

I agree. I'm against discrimination against anyone. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #83

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #35

Is this supposed to be funny? Are you suggesting that transgender people identify as the opposite Squinch Aug 2017 #38

Please tell me you did not say that. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #43

Not worth my time or money Loki Liesmith Aug 2017 #36

Just consider that the tip and eat there if bluepen Aug 2017 #77

The people upset with what these women are doing Eko Aug 2017 #37

it absolutely boggles the mind, does it not. pangaia Aug 2017 #49

I'm not upset with what these women are doing. I just think it's stupid. janx Aug 2017 #52

1st Eko Aug 2017 #58

It is trendy to want equal rights? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #72

I'm against it because it punishes an entire group for something OTHERS did...incl. WOMEN. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #86

It's optional melman Aug 2017 #88

So you are against Eko Aug 2017 #90

Hmmmm. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #92

Oh good NobodyHere Aug 2017 #41

Sexism is applauded every day here, toward women. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #56

If by equality NobodyHere Aug 2017 #57

Hmm. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #66

Maybe you didn't applaud, but I doubt very much you said anything against smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #129

HaHa janx Aug 2017 #45

This is straight out of Portlandia. Neema Aug 2017 #60

Women and Women FIrst! n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #61

Wow. Well, that certainly brings home the meaning of 18%! But is it legal? Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #68

Smiling all the way to the bank Bladewire Aug 2017 #70

This article leaves a couple of important things out melman Aug 2017 #79

I wonder if this guy will dine there geek tragedy Aug 2017 #89

That's my freeper sister in law. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #161

Ewwwww. nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #162

I think another way it could be introduced would be to have same prices, but offer female patrons Pachamama Aug 2017 #114

Love it! Payback. MineralMan Aug 2017 #121

I'm Not Digging The Business Strategy, But I've Got No Complaints ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #137

Doesn't sound like a good business plan to me but if it works for them c'est la vie. jalan48 Aug 2017 #138

Ugh. I'll pass. stopbush Aug 2017 #139

What about genderqueer folks? oberliner Aug 2017 #141

Someone will evaluate whether or not the charge applies, and potentially invalidate their gender. David__77 Aug 2017 #166

Good thing I'm not a Vegan titaniumsalute Aug 2017 #148

They're going to be attacked by a horde of fedora-wearing neards. Orrex Aug 2017 #149

Kick... yallerdawg Aug 2017 #151

I'd go there! (If I'm ever in Australia.) Maybe the idea will spread... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #157

I love this. would love it if caught on here in the states as well. niyad Aug 2017 #164

This! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #165

Men who patronize vegan cafes... Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2017 #168

Ah, yes. They must be dumb, right? This must all be just badly done "patriarchy targeting" Squinch Aug 2017 #172

Apparently China decided to go a slightly different way: EX500rider Aug 2017 #175

This is kinda off the subject, but.... johnp3907 Aug 2017 #182

Yes, who doesn't love a echo chamber...lol EX500rider Aug 2017 #183

Please correct me if I am wrong about your post. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #185

No no! Just the opposite! johnp3907 Aug 2017 #186

Thank you, John! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #189

Now that's equality in the highest order. ileus Aug 2017 #184

We need one in San Francisco yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #207

Ha! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #208

I give them 3 months. romanic Aug 2017 #211