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Honeycombe8

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196. My last HR Director. You can call her. It's just business.

Reply to sheshe2 (Reply #97)

Mon Aug 7, 2017, 08:04 PM

Aug 2017

You don't pay anyone any more than you have to.

And that's the case whether HR is male or female.

It's common sense.

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'BY WOMEN, FOR WOMEN' Vegan cafe charges male customers 18 percent man tax and seats women first i [View all] sheshe2 Aug 2017 OP

Id eat there Eko Aug 2017 #1

So, discrimination is okay as long as it aligns with your biases? brooklynite Aug 2017 #3

So leaving us behind is okay if it aligns with your beliefs? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #7

Yes, like on choice. Laffy Kat Aug 2017 #115

Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #127

It has nothing to do with any "bias" for me. Eko Aug 2017 #12

I love you Eko!!!! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #19

My mom raised me and my two brothers alone. Eko Aug 2017 #23

Thank you Eko. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #29

Thank you, dude. 😬 MLAA Aug 2017 #63

Thank you for what? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #99

I was thanking Eko (he declared himself a dude) for supporting the cafe. I too support it.😃 MLAA Aug 2017 #192

Got it. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #193

np 😉 MLAA Aug 2017 #194

except that you clearly have a bias hfojvt Aug 2017 #155

Why do you see this as discrimination rather than a legitimate effort to redress the "female tax" Squinch Aug 2017 #20

Because it's not specific to the people who did the original bias. That's the definition of ... Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #73

I call it the "death gap" Lord_at_War Aug 2017 #104

You are a bit naive. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #119

so now you are arguing that janitors make too much money? hfojvt Aug 2017 #159

Can you read? Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #197

actually you did hfojvt Aug 2017 #203

I said, "Janitors get paid more than maids." I did NOT say, "Janitors are overpaid." Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #204

"Agree there's discrimination, but....." just NOPE. Obvs YOU had shitty teachers though.... bettyellen Aug 2017 #179

If for one hour, the men who are voluntarily there experience what most women live with politicat Aug 2017 #107

I'm against discrimination. You're making it sound like a funsie "volunteer" thing. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #118

Let's re-work your notion. politicat Aug 2017 #140

Exactly. And the males being charged more for the sins of others are not being charged "voluntarily. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #143

Someone is marching men at gunpoint into this vegan cafe? Squinch Aug 2017 #169

I don't care much either hfojvt Aug 2017 #158

You didn't REALLY write that, did you? pangaia Aug 2017 #39

Did I describe charging one group more than another "discrimination"? brooklynite Aug 2017 #130

So much for "nothing but positivity from everyone, males and females" Rob H. Aug 2017 #51

well men, all men, including white males especially heaven05 Aug 2017 #124

How is leveling the playing field "discrimination"? Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #132

Fun fact: my wife makes 20X my salary... brooklynite Aug 2017 #133

Anecdotal evidence to make a point about gender. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #135

Before I answer that question mercuryblues Aug 2017 #142

Answers brooklynite Aug 2017 #144

So you have different jobs mercuryblues Aug 2017 #167

I work for the Government; we don't discriminate. brooklynite Aug 2017 #178

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #212

I've been trying to come up with something to compare the current "accept pro-life anti-choice uppityperson Aug 2017 #2

This would be completely illegal in California taught_me_patience Aug 2017 #4

LOL!!! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #9

As a Californian, I'm thankful it would be illegal. David__77 Aug 2017 #18

I want everyone to receive th same pay for the same service pangaia Aug 2017 #42

+1000 sheshe2 Aug 2017 #74

Yeah, I want that too. But it usually doesn't happen. The only reason people are outraged Squinch Aug 2017 #48

I would also oppose a tax on women. David__77 Aug 2017 #67

I agree. This is blatant discrimination against people who likely have nothing to do with the... Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #75

We already have unequal accommodations. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #76

Stepping on a random person's toes because someone steps on yours just makes a lot of sore feet. X_Digger Aug 2017 #200

In what way are you opposing the "taxes" women pay every day for goods and services? Squinch Aug 2017 #170

California businesses should not charge women or men a sex-based "service charge." David__77 Aug 2017 #173

I guarantee you that there are plenty of businesses who are violating that law. Just like Squinch Aug 2017 #174

I understand what you're saying. David__77 Aug 2017 #176

In the meantime, I still pay more for everything. Squinch Aug 2017 #177

And I imagine that passage of a law would not be enough. David__77 Aug 2017 #180

So I have to pay more and bring a law suit. You just need to bring your shirt to Squinch Aug 2017 #181

I definitely think that the law should allow for recouping of legal fees from non-compliant parties. David__77 Aug 2017 #187

LOL! Or maybe we could just support the people who do things to point out the Squinch Aug 2017 #190

I understand, and would not agree with sex-based accommodations discrimination. David__77 Aug 2017 #191

this would be so spiderman17 Aug 2017 #5

And yet it's done to women all the time in every aspect of life in the US. Squinch Aug 2017 #10

Thank you Squinch. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #14

Once, out of curiosity I compared two deodorants at CVS. BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #87

Well forced ultasounds should be illegal but are not in some states. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #26

where spiderman17 Aug 2017 #69

You are new. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #80

both links say spiderman17 Aug 2017 #96

I pay for your viagra. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #98

Not only that, but everyone is born. KitSileya Aug 2017 #120

I predict that the poster will be with us a long time Orrex Aug 2017 #147

you're making spiderman17 Aug 2017 #153

Do women get prostate cancer, suffer from ED, etc.? George II Aug 2017 #122

It actually would depend on the state and or locality. Many places in the US permit such pricing... PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #46

I believe that's only when there is a difference in the service. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #78

It's not. They charge more for services and things like razors and other items Ninsianna Aug 2017 #110

Generally speaking, it takes longer to do women's hair than men's. And that's a fact. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #117

For some women it might Bettie Aug 2017 #128

Nope. Generally speaking, it takes longer to "do" women's hair. So say hairstylists. They are free.. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #145

Not true. It costs me more to get a simple trim ( I mean real simple ) and Doreen Aug 2017 #113

Not YOU. Not a particular person. But in general it takes longer to do women's hair. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #116

OK, let me be general then. I have known men who have long hair and get it colored Doreen Aug 2017 #152

So you're okay with a surcharge for women's and girls' products? crazycatlady Aug 2017 #54

both men and women spiderman17 Aug 2017 #71

No force. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #100

Women have been forced to pay more for ages crazycatlady Aug 2017 #123

+ Infinity! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #154

And they can choose not to go to this particular cafe Bettie Aug 2017 #126

just curious spiderman17 Aug 2017 #150

First: They don't say Bettie Aug 2017 #160

No, it's not. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #134

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #6

Some of us, male or female, would pay 0%. bluepen Aug 2017 #8

You'd not eat a vegan meal? Once? uppityperson Aug 2017 #22

I wouldn't call it a meal. bluepen Aug 2017 #64

How about a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? uppityperson Aug 2017 #94

Pretty good snack. bluepen Aug 2017 #95

Pbj, tomato soup, chips, glass of juice vegan uppityperson Aug 2017 #105

Yep. Good snacks. Not meals. bluepen Aug 2017 #108

Fine meal, eaten by my dear old dad most of his working life for lunch. uppityperson Aug 2017 #109

Cool bluepen Aug 2017 #111

It was amusing to discover he didn't know how to make a sandwich at 60 yrs old. uppityperson Aug 2017 #112

Ah. Bet you do. My husband had to search for the can opener Hortensis Aug 2017 #156

Milk and eggs in the bread? brooklynite Aug 2017 #131

not necessarily uppityperson Aug 2017 #146

Happy to see a vegan threat where us vegans don't get bashed. mucifer Aug 2017 #11

Give it time. nt Codeine Aug 2017 #16

Don't take any crap..keep saving furry friends, the planet and your health. 😀 I'm with you MLAA Aug 2017 #65

Gol-danged Radical Vegan Terrists putting it to us men! JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2017 #188

Thanks! mucifer Aug 2017 #199

Nice statement, but I doubt it will last long. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #13

They could argue that it is a form of affirmative action aimed at reducing the pay gap. Squinch Aug 2017 #17

Unless the interpretation of their laws is vastly different than the US, Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #21

So then how are dry cleaners allowed to charge women three times what men pay to clean a shirt? Squinch Aug 2017 #24

Take it to court, and you'd win, Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #28

So an 18% tax on a veggie burrito is the same thing. It's no different, and the fact that this Squinch Aug 2017 #32

As I said - take it to court and you'd win. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #50

So you are pointing out another, much bigger, female tax here. Squinch Aug 2017 #59

That's always the way it is, unfortunately. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #82

Because the woman's shirt is made from Motownman78 Aug 2017 #30

It's almost universal in NYC. And no, not based on fabric. Just gender. Squinch Aug 2017 #33

Rampant though it may be, gender-based pricing is actually illegal in New York City. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #55

So, as I said up thread, in order to end the discrimination of the higher price of the Squinch Aug 2017 #62

They do it in motown too, and it has nothing to do with fabric or the ruffles etc. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #85

There is no US federal law that prohibits gender-based pricing. States and localities may have such PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #53

I never did. The dry cleaners charged the same. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #81

NOt the case for housing crazycatlady Aug 2017 #125

There are special laws for 55+ communities, Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #163

glad to hear they are ok with an 18% extra charge placed on women as well nt msongs Aug 2017 #15

They aren't ok with it. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #136

What say a rich white republican women walks in brettdale Aug 2017 #25

It sounds like they would tell the black man to move. David__77 Aug 2017 #31

Wow. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #91

I support equality in public accommodations. David__77 Aug 2017 #93

Where did it say patrons would be removed from their seats? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #101

It didn't. David__77 Aug 2017 #102

First, don't make stuff up when it was not said. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #103

Yes it says women are seated first. David__77 Aug 2017 #106

Well I see nothing in the article stating anyone would be thrown out of their seat. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #40

It is a fantastic way to publicize the real discrimination suffered. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #27

I think its horrible and shows the hypocrisy of some in the left brettdale Aug 2017 #34

Are you horrified by the fact that women's haircuts cost more than men's? That women are Squinch Aug 2017 #44

Punishing innocent people for the sins of others is the essence of discrimination. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #84

What goes around comes around. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #97

My last HR Director. You can call her. It's just business. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #196

I'm an innocent person who is "punished" every day in this way. So are you if you are female. Squinch Aug 2017 #171

That doesn't give you a right to punch person X because you were hurt by person B. That's wrong.nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #195

I haven't punched anyone and I don't plan to. But I'd support this restaurant if it were Squinch Aug 2017 #198

That is punching. That's wrong. People either believe in discrimination or they don't. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #201

No, it's not punching. It's eating a veggie burrito. There's a difference. Squinch Aug 2017 #202

Discrimination is punching, in the meaning that you used the word. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #205

Did you misread when I said "punish" as "punch?" Because I never said "punch." You did. Squinch Aug 2017 #206

I'm sorry you're uninformed on this topic. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #209

LOL! I have plenty of experience with the business world and Squinch Aug 2017 #210

Please get a life and quit stalking me. We disagree on this. I believe discrimination is wrong. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #213

Stalking you!!! You did give me a laugh! Thank you for that. Squinch Aug 2017 #214

The left wing activist sounds like an anti-Semite to me. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #47

I agree. I'm against discrimination against anyone. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #83

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #35

Is this supposed to be funny? Are you suggesting that transgender people identify as the opposite Squinch Aug 2017 #38

Please tell me you did not say that. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #43

Not worth my time or money Loki Liesmith Aug 2017 #36

Just consider that the tip and eat there if bluepen Aug 2017 #77

The people upset with what these women are doing Eko Aug 2017 #37

it absolutely boggles the mind, does it not. pangaia Aug 2017 #49

I'm not upset with what these women are doing. I just think it's stupid. janx Aug 2017 #52

1st Eko Aug 2017 #58

It is trendy to want equal rights? sheshe2 Aug 2017 #72

I'm against it because it punishes an entire group for something OTHERS did...incl. WOMEN. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #86

It's optional melman Aug 2017 #88

So you are against Eko Aug 2017 #90

Hmmmm. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #92

Oh good NobodyHere Aug 2017 #41

Sexism is applauded every day here, toward women. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #56

If by equality NobodyHere Aug 2017 #57

Hmm. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #66

Maybe you didn't applaud, but I doubt very much you said anything against smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #129

HaHa janx Aug 2017 #45

This is straight out of Portlandia. Neema Aug 2017 #60

Women and Women FIrst! n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2017 #61

Wow. Well, that certainly brings home the meaning of 18%! But is it legal? Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #68

Smiling all the way to the bank Bladewire Aug 2017 #70

This article leaves a couple of important things out melman Aug 2017 #79

I wonder if this guy will dine there geek tragedy Aug 2017 #89

That's my freeper sister in law. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2017 #161

Ewwwww. nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #162

I think another way it could be introduced would be to have same prices, but offer female patrons Pachamama Aug 2017 #114

Love it! Payback. MineralMan Aug 2017 #121

I'm Not Digging The Business Strategy, But I've Got No Complaints ProfessorGAC Aug 2017 #137

Doesn't sound like a good business plan to me but if it works for them c'est la vie. jalan48 Aug 2017 #138

Ugh. I'll pass. stopbush Aug 2017 #139

What about genderqueer folks? oberliner Aug 2017 #141

Someone will evaluate whether or not the charge applies, and potentially invalidate their gender. David__77 Aug 2017 #166

Good thing I'm not a Vegan titaniumsalute Aug 2017 #148

They're going to be attacked by a horde of fedora-wearing neards. Orrex Aug 2017 #149

Kick... yallerdawg Aug 2017 #151

I'd go there! (If I'm ever in Australia.) Maybe the idea will spread... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #157

I love this. would love it if caught on here in the states as well. niyad Aug 2017 #164

This! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #165

Men who patronize vegan cafes... Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2017 #168

Ah, yes. They must be dumb, right? This must all be just badly done "patriarchy targeting" Squinch Aug 2017 #172

Apparently China decided to go a slightly different way: EX500rider Aug 2017 #175

This is kinda off the subject, but.... johnp3907 Aug 2017 #182

Yes, who doesn't love a echo chamber...lol EX500rider Aug 2017 #183

Please correct me if I am wrong about your post. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #185

No no! Just the opposite! johnp3907 Aug 2017 #186

Thank you, John! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #189

Now that's equality in the highest order. ileus Aug 2017 #184

We need one in San Francisco yuiyoshida Aug 2017 #207

Ha! sheshe2 Aug 2017 #208

I give them 3 months. romanic Aug 2017 #211