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22. Here is a good article for you to read

Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:02 PM

Oct 2017

By Marc Edelman, a professor of law...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcedelman/2017/09/28/nfl-trump-kneeling-national-anthem/#3fe610d29765

Constitutional rights to free speech apply to public employees, where the employee's need for free speech, on balance, is greater than the employer's rationale for curbing the speech. Separate and apart from constitutional free speech is the notion of contractual free speech, which is an employee's right to free speech that arises from an employment agreement with a fixed term or a unionized employee's collective bargaining agreement.

You are claiming that changing the contractual obligation is a violation of the 1st amendment. It's not. There are other factors spelled out in the article that could be leveraged to try to apply the 1st, but it's iffy at best.

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Should NFL players go on strike due to owner and league pushback over protests during the anthem? [View all] LonePirate Oct 2017 OP

If the NFL owners bench players for kneeling, its kinda like a boycott GusBob Oct 2017 #1

The NFL players rights are not being violated. FLPanhandle Oct 2017 #2

When government officials are urging owners and the league to crackdown, the 1A is relevant. LonePirate Oct 2017 #11

Actually, it's still not relevant FLPanhandle Oct 2017 #15

Are you seriously suggesting that since Congress has not passed a law, its not a 1A issue? LonePirate Oct 2017 #23

It doesn't matter why the owners make the rule. WillowTree Oct 2017 #28

I was lead man on a receiving dock back in the 90's Lord_at_War Oct 2017 #39

If the stricture was already written into the contractual obligation, you'd have a point. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #13

Here is a good article for you to read FLPanhandle Oct 2017 #22

It's not an anthem protest. Iggo Oct 2017 #3

Yes, you are correct. I have edited my poorly worded title. My apologies. LonePirate Oct 2017 #7

If they want to kill the league pintobean Oct 2017 #4

Like the result from the player's strike in the 80s killed the league LanternWaste Oct 2017 #16

You should put that last line in your sig line pintobean Oct 2017 #21

... cwydro Oct 2017 #32

I don't see it happening Ex Lurker Oct 2017 #5

No. They work for the NFL/Owners, with protests taking place in their place of employment. jmg257 Oct 2017 #6

I think they should continue to protest anyway. The league.. mvd Oct 2017 #8

just claim taking a knee is a form of prayer. religious rights are absolute according to fascist msongs Oct 2017 #9

They would not dare Lurker Deluxe Oct 2017 #10

Maybe is time to replace the NFL, soccer is more popular globally Not Ruth Oct 2017 #14

Well That Cinches It! ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #18

well Lurker Deluxe Oct 2017 #26

Viewership is clearly down this year ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #29

I Told You What I Want To Compare ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #31

OK, to be clear Lurker Deluxe Oct 2017 #36

What the Miami players did Sunday was to not be on the field for the anthem Johonny Oct 2017 #12

I'd like to see about half of the Cowboys kneel. Or more. panader0 Oct 2017 #17

The owners may not be able to force players. Turbineguy Oct 2017 #19

The contract says they have to follow the rules. Calista241 Oct 2017 #38

They should be left to their expression of free speech. pwb Oct 2017 #20

You are clearly wrong mythology Oct 2017 #24

Well Mr Right, I have read it from cover to cover. pwb Oct 2017 #25

I can't believe it's even up for debate on DU... SaschaHM Oct 2017 #27

Fortunately, the Yes option is the overwhelming favorite as of now. LonePirate Oct 2017 #37

Yes. Nip this shit in the bud. It's bad enough they're killing themselves ecstatic Oct 2017 #30

No of course not, Dan Oct 2017 #33

Not just "yes", but "hell yes!" nt Binkie The Clown Oct 2017 #34

I'd love to see a full strike to protest this. Initech Oct 2017 #35