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In reply to the discussion: Benefits of male circumcision reconfirmed as rates decline [View all]4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)205. From your link:
The American Academy of Pediatrics (1999) stated: "Circumcision has been suggested as an effective method of maintaining penile hygiene since the time of the Egyptian dynasties, but there is little evidence to affirm the association between circumcision status and optimal penile hygiene."
Oops.
But what do they know? I don't take medical advice from doctors. I take it from religious figures practicing a tradition they picked up as stone age desert wanderers.
Circumcision is associated with a reduced risk of urinary tract infections (UTIs) however the magnitude of this benefit is likely to outweigh the risk only in those at high risk of UTIs.[20]
Some UTI studies have been criticized for not taking into account a high rate of UTI's among premature infants, who are usually not circumcised because of their fragile health status.[7] The AMA stated that "depending on the model employed, approximately 100 to 200 circumcisions would need to be performed to prevent 1 UTI," and noted one decision analysis model that concluded that circumcision was not justified as a preventative measure against UTI
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A meta-analysis by Van Howe in 2006 found no significant association between circumcision status and HPV infection and that "the medical literature does not support the claim that circumcision reduces the risk for genital HPV infection".
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Two studies have shown that circumcised men report, or were found to have, a higher prevalence of genital warts than uncircumcised men.[121][122]
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The role of male circumcision in female infection with HPV remains controversial. As Castellsagué (2002) said, " it would not make sense to promote circumcision as a way to control cervical cancer in the United States, where Pap smears usually detect it at a treatable stage."[131]
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Cadman et al.'s (1984) study said that using routine infant circumcision to prevent penile cancer would not be cost-effective; the costs of circumcising everyone would be over a hundred times the savings achieved.[153]
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The American Academy of Pediatrics (1999) stated that studies suggest that neonatal circumcision confers some protection from penile cancer, but circumcision at a later age does not seem to confer the same level of protection. They stated further that penile cancer is a rare disease in developed countries and that the risk of penile cancer developing in an uncircumcised man, although increased compared with a circumcised man, remains low.[18] Similarly, the American Medical Association states that although neonatal circumcision seems to lower the risk of contracting penile cancer, because it is rare and occurs later in life, the use of circumcision as a preventive practice is not justified.[15]
The Royal Australasian College of Physicians stated that the use of infant circumcision to prevent penile cancer alone in adulthood is not justified.[155][dead link]
The American Cancer Society stated:
Circumcision seems to protect against penile cancer when it is done shortly after birth. Men who were circumcised as babies have less than half the chance of getting penile cancer than those who were not. The reasons for this are not entirely clear, but may be related to other known risk factors. For example, men who are circumcised cannot develop a condition called phimosis. Men with phimosis have an increased risk of penile cancer (see below). Also, circumcised men seem to be less likely to be infected with HPV, even after adjusting for differences in sexual behavior.
In weighing the risks and benefits of circumcision, doctors consider the fact that penile cancer is one of the least common forms of cancer in the United States. Neither the American Academy of Pediatrics nor the Canadian Academy of Pediatrics recommends routine circumcision of newborns (for medical reasons). In the end, decisions about circumcision are highly personal and depend more on social and religious factors than on medical evidence.[156]
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Lerman and Liao (2001) state that apart from its effects on UTI rates, "Most of the other medical benefits of circumcision probably can be realized without circumcision as long as access to clean water and proper penile hygiene are achieved."[179] (where would we, in the United States possibly get access to clean water?)
And now for the complications:
Williams & Kapila state: "the literature abounds with reports of morbidity and even death as a result of circumcision."[39] Complications may be immediate or delayed, and complications from bleeding, infection and poorly carried out circumcisions can be catastrophic.[40] The immediate complications may be classified as surgical mishap, hemorrhage, infection and anesthetic risk.
The American Medical Association quotes a complication rate of 0.2%0.6%,[15] based on the studies of Gee[41] and Harkavy.[42] These same studies are quoted by the American Academy of Pediatrics.[18] The American Academy of Family Physicians quotes a range of anywhere between 0.1% and 35%.[43] The Canadian Paediatric Society cites these results in addition to other figures ranging anywhere between 0.06% to 55%, and remark that Williams & Kapila[39] suggested that 2-10% is a realistic estimate.[44] A study quoted by the National Institute of Health reported that 1 complication occurs for every 476 circumcisions.[45] The RACP states that the penis is lost in 1 in 1,000,000 circumcisions.[46]
Deaths have been reported.[47][48] The American Academy of Family Physicians states that death is rare. It estimates a death rate from circumcision of 1 infant in 500,000.[43] Gairdner's 1949 study reported that an average of 16 children per year out of about 90,000 died following circumcision in the UK. He found that most deaths had occurred suddenly under anaesthesia and could not be explained further, but hemorrhage and infection had also proven fatal. Deaths attributed to phimosis and circumcision were grouped together, and Gairdner argued that such deaths were probably due to the circumcision operation.[49]
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It's certainly as well documented as the effect on menstrual cycles that the moon bombing had.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#140
Moon bombing? When did that happen? I do remember people blaming excessive rain on moon landings
yellowcanine
Aug 2012
#154
losing a foreskin makes a man less able to bond with a woman? then its true. a man's
roguevalley
Aug 2012
#61
Not to mention that the man will mourn the loss of the foreskin for the rest of his life.....
yellowcanine
Aug 2012
#104
"Internet lecture"........"the gentleman cited studies but I didn't write them down."
yellowcanine
Aug 2012
#103
If you have sources cite them. Close-minded is making assertions without attribution.
yellowcanine
Aug 2012
#125
Oh, Lordy.. If only I had a pitbull to hide behind at the Olive Garden while breast feeding openly.
hlthe2b
Aug 2012
#3
Unless someone put a gun to his head he had a choice to marry or not marry that woman
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#160
Well, you might be one of the rare few people who thinks getting married is like buying a loaf of
MADem
Aug 2012
#161
If you think "choosing" to marry or not, once a person is engaged, is an actual choice, I feel sorry
MADem
Aug 2012
#187
The health reasons for circumcision are largely being found to be bunk
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#198
In the US, in 2012? Where could anyone possibly access such things
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#206
all you are proving is that there is not a medical consensus on the issue...
Green_Lantern
Aug 2012
#209
So if there is a pretty strong consensus that there aren't any real benefits
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#212
If you tell your doctor you don't want your kids vaccinated they will comply
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#222
There are doctors in Egypt who believe the same thing about female genital cutting.
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2012
#227
There are no medical benefits to female circumcision, so this isn't comparable. n/t
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#43
Since they're not at age of consent, does that mean it's okay to have sex with them?
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2012
#229
Having your clitoris removed is more painful as an adult than as a child
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#146
We have an appendix for a reason as well, contrary to what we were told once upon a
2on2u
Aug 2012
#13
Yes, although from the article, it seems they are basing this analysis off a few studies in Uganda.
antigone382
Aug 2012
#9
Why is the medical consensus in the rest of the developed world not buying it?
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2012
#73
Please PM me with the link to your post. I would love to read it and don't want to miss it.
idwiyo
Aug 2012
#191
I'd like to see comparisons with European countries, not Uganda, to see medical benefits.
Mass
Aug 2012
#18
The majority of European men -- indeed, the majority of ALL men, are uncircumcised
RufusTFirefly
Aug 2012
#21
I'd like to see comparisons of countries with a high degree of personal hygiene
Art_from_Ark
Aug 2012
#31
And again if that sort of bullshit statement were made about fgm you would be out of here.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2012
#58
Need to pay attention to the number needed treat to have even a small effect.
Emillereid
Aug 2012
#82
They can have my sons' foreskins when they pry them from my cold dead fingers.
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2012
#71
Doctors' Circumcision Recommendations Influenced By Personal Factors, Study Finds
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2012
#77
More than Foreskin: Circumcision Status, History of HIV/STI, and Sexual Risk in a Clinic-Based
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2012
#79
Going on and on about a topic that excites a mere handful of people smacks of fanatacism.
Comrade Grumpy
Aug 2012
#220
On this issue, it's the tiny minority of fanatics who spew 99% of the venom.
apocalypsehow
Aug 2012
#244
I'll take the voice of reason right where I please, thank you very much.
apocalypsehow
Aug 2012
#247
Removing the penis entirely would eliminate STDs and unwanted pregnancies entirely
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#156
notice all of that says to give parents the information and let them decide...
Green_Lantern
Aug 2012
#214
Or more often based on consulting their religious figure of choice
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#225
Q: how do you get a progressive to argue for religion trumping personal choice?
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#216
Routine circumcision came to America thanks to a Christian fundamentalist
ilikeitthatway
Aug 2012
#238
"Plain Facts for Old and Young" by John Harvey Kellog. The scientific thinking
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2012
#239
Barbaric mutiliation with no good reason to do it. Only religious insanity.
Manifestor_of_Light
Aug 2012
#240