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In reply to the discussion: Benefits of male circumcision reconfirmed as rates decline [View all]4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)208. No it wouldn't
as I said it is entirely possible to remove semen from the testicles medically without a penis. And then once you have extracted semen you can use it to impregnate women.
It would reduce STDs to virtually nothing within a generation. It would make teen pregnancy, rape, and sexual assault a thing of the past.
There is no compelling reason to stop male circumcision.
True, unless we count all the compelling reasons to stop male circumcision:
Australasia
The Royal Australasian College of Physicians (RACP; 2009) state that "after extensive review of the literature" they "[do] not recommend that routine circumcision in infancy be performed". They also state that "if the operation is to be performed, the medical attendant should ensure this is done by a competent surgeon, using appropriate anaesthesia and in a safe child-friendly environment." Additionally, the RACP state that there is an obligation to provide parents who request a circumcision for their child with accurate, up-to-date and unbiased information about the risks and benefits of circumcision, adding that "in the absence of evidence of substantial harm, parental choice should be respected."[9]
[edit]Canada
The Fetus and Newborn Committee of the Canadian Paediatric Society posted "Circumcision: Information for Parents" in November 2004,[10] and "Neonatal circumcision revisited" in 1996. The 1996 position statement says that "circumcision of newborns should not be routinely performed", and the 2004 advice to parents says it "does not recommend circumcision for newborn boys. Many paediatricians no longer perform circumcisions."[11]
Regarding the practice of routine infant circumcision, the College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia states in its 'Professional Standards and Guidelines' (version September 2009) that "Infant male circumcision was once considered a preventive health measure and was therefore adopted extensively in Western countries. Current understanding of the benefits, risks and potential harm of this procedure, however, no longer supports this practice for prophylactic health benefit. Routine infant male circumcision performed on a healthy infant is now considered a non-therapeutic and medically unnecessary intervention."[12]
[edit]Netherlands
The Royal Dutch Medical Association issued a new policy in May 2010: "The official viewpoint of KNMG and other related medical/scientific organisations is that non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors is a violation of childrens rights to autonomy and physical integrity. Contrary to popular belief, circumcision can cause complications bleeding, infection, urethral stricture and panic attacks are particularly common. KNMG is therefore urging a strong policy of deterrence. KNMG is calling upon doctors to actively and insistently inform parents who are considering the procedure of the absence of medical benefits and the danger of complications."[6]
[edit]United Kingdom
The British Medical Association's position (June 2006) was that male circumcision for medical purposes should only be used where less invasive procedures are either unavailable or not as effective. The BMA specifically refrained from issuing a policy regarding non-therapeutic circumcision, stating that as a general rule, it believes that parents should be entitled to make choices about how best to promote their childrens interests, and it is for society to decide what limits should be imposed on parental choices.[13]
[edit]United States
The American Academy of Pediatrics (1999) found both potential benefits and risks in infant circumcision, however, there was insufficient data to recommend routine neonatal circumcision. In situations involving potential benefits and risks, and no immediate urgency, they state that "parents should determine what is in the best interest of the child". They continue, "To make an informed choice, parents of all male infants should be given accurate and unbiased information and be provided the opportunity to discuss this decision." They said, "In the pluralistic society of the United States in which parents are afforded wide authority for determining what constitutes appropriate child-rearing and child welfare, it is legitimate for the parents to take into account cultural, religious, and ethnic traditions, in addition to medical factors, when making this choice." If a decision to circumcise is made, the AAP recommend using analgesia to reduce pain, and also said that circumcision on newborns should be performed only if they are stable and healthy.[14]
The American Medical Association (1999) noted that medical associations in the US, Australia, and Canada did not recommend routine circumcision of newborns. It supported the general principles of the 1999 Circumcision Policy Statement of the American Academy of Pediatrics.[15]
The American Academy of Family Physicians (January 2007) acknowledges the controversy surrounding circumcision and recommends that physicians discuss the potential harms and benefits of circumcision with all parents or legal guardians considering circumcision for newborn boys.[16]
The American Urological Association (May 2007) states there are benefits and risks to circumcision, recommending that circumcision "should be presented as an option for health benefits" while acknowledging that "[e]vidence associating neonatal circumcision with reduced incidence of sexually transmitted diseases is conflicting." It feels that parents should consider medical benefits and risks, and ethnic, cultural, etc. factors when making this decision.
But what do all them sciency types really know?
I get my facts from religious figures going by handmedown hallucinations from thousands of years ago.
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It's certainly as well documented as the effect on menstrual cycles that the moon bombing had.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#140
Moon bombing? When did that happen? I do remember people blaming excessive rain on moon landings
yellowcanine
Aug 2012
#154
losing a foreskin makes a man less able to bond with a woman? then its true. a man's
roguevalley
Aug 2012
#61
Not to mention that the man will mourn the loss of the foreskin for the rest of his life.....
yellowcanine
Aug 2012
#104
"Internet lecture"........"the gentleman cited studies but I didn't write them down."
yellowcanine
Aug 2012
#103
If you have sources cite them. Close-minded is making assertions without attribution.
yellowcanine
Aug 2012
#125
Oh, Lordy.. If only I had a pitbull to hide behind at the Olive Garden while breast feeding openly.
hlthe2b
Aug 2012
#3
Unless someone put a gun to his head he had a choice to marry or not marry that woman
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#160
Well, you might be one of the rare few people who thinks getting married is like buying a loaf of
MADem
Aug 2012
#161
If you think "choosing" to marry or not, once a person is engaged, is an actual choice, I feel sorry
MADem
Aug 2012
#187
The health reasons for circumcision are largely being found to be bunk
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#198
In the US, in 2012? Where could anyone possibly access such things
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#206
all you are proving is that there is not a medical consensus on the issue...
Green_Lantern
Aug 2012
#209
So if there is a pretty strong consensus that there aren't any real benefits
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#212
If you tell your doctor you don't want your kids vaccinated they will comply
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#222
There are doctors in Egypt who believe the same thing about female genital cutting.
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2012
#227
There are no medical benefits to female circumcision, so this isn't comparable. n/t
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#43
Since they're not at age of consent, does that mean it's okay to have sex with them?
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2012
#229
Having your clitoris removed is more painful as an adult than as a child
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#146
We have an appendix for a reason as well, contrary to what we were told once upon a
2on2u
Aug 2012
#13
Yes, although from the article, it seems they are basing this analysis off a few studies in Uganda.
antigone382
Aug 2012
#9
Why is the medical consensus in the rest of the developed world not buying it?
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2012
#73
Please PM me with the link to your post. I would love to read it and don't want to miss it.
idwiyo
Aug 2012
#191
I'd like to see comparisons with European countries, not Uganda, to see medical benefits.
Mass
Aug 2012
#18
The majority of European men -- indeed, the majority of ALL men, are uncircumcised
RufusTFirefly
Aug 2012
#21
I'd like to see comparisons of countries with a high degree of personal hygiene
Art_from_Ark
Aug 2012
#31
And again if that sort of bullshit statement were made about fgm you would be out of here.
Warren Stupidity
Aug 2012
#58
Need to pay attention to the number needed treat to have even a small effect.
Emillereid
Aug 2012
#82
They can have my sons' foreskins when they pry them from my cold dead fingers.
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2012
#71
Doctors' Circumcision Recommendations Influenced By Personal Factors, Study Finds
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2012
#77
More than Foreskin: Circumcision Status, History of HIV/STI, and Sexual Risk in a Clinic-Based
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2012
#79
Going on and on about a topic that excites a mere handful of people smacks of fanatacism.
Comrade Grumpy
Aug 2012
#220
On this issue, it's the tiny minority of fanatics who spew 99% of the venom.
apocalypsehow
Aug 2012
#244
I'll take the voice of reason right where I please, thank you very much.
apocalypsehow
Aug 2012
#247
Removing the penis entirely would eliminate STDs and unwanted pregnancies entirely
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#156
notice all of that says to give parents the information and let them decide...
Green_Lantern
Aug 2012
#214
Or more often based on consulting their religious figure of choice
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#225
Q: how do you get a progressive to argue for religion trumping personal choice?
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#216
Routine circumcision came to America thanks to a Christian fundamentalist
ilikeitthatway
Aug 2012
#238
"Plain Facts for Old and Young" by John Harvey Kellog. The scientific thinking
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2012
#239
Barbaric mutiliation with no good reason to do it. Only religious insanity.
Manifestor_of_Light
Aug 2012
#240