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212. So if there is a pretty strong consensus that there aren't any real benefits

Fri Aug 24, 2012, 03:45 PM

Aug 2012

we should just keep removing body parts just in case?

And we remove decisions from parents all the time. The department of Child Protective Services says you don't have the right to neglect your child. Or abuse them. Or hack off body parts for religious reasons (with one exception currently).

You hold the parents right to mutilate to be sacrosanct. Does the child not have a right to bodily integrity?

Why is letting the individual affected do the choosing such an offensive notion to some? Is it because they are emotionally invested in keeping this tradition for whatever reason and they fear if left to their own choices many young men would not choose to mutilate themselves in this way?

Really what's your argument for denying young boys the right to choose how their bodies are permanently altered?

Labiaplasty can reduce hygiene issues for some women as well.

Would you support the parents right to choose this surgery for their neonatal daughters?

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... KG Aug 2012 #1

I can see the ad campaign. "Don't get sick. Trim your dick." nt valerief Aug 2012 #5

Don't be silly, slice that willy! Dash87 Aug 2012 #22

Am I wrong to laugh??? :-) spooky3 Aug 2012 #25

Don't be a cod, trim that rod! villager Aug 2012 #29

Don't be a fool, clip that tool! Arugula Latte Aug 2012 #81

It isn't wrong to snip that schlong. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #91

Someone! Quick! There's a Hackensack joke just waiting closeupready Aug 2012 #165

O femrap Aug 2012 #38

It doesn't make any sense to me and I doubt it's true. Nine Aug 2012 #45

+1 wordpix Aug 2012 #49

go femrap Aug 2012 #70

There is no "hormonal link" between a bit of foreskin and the brain. Codeine Aug 2012 #93

b femrap Aug 2012 #113

It's certainly as well documented as the effect on menstrual cycles that the moon bombing had. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #140

Moon bombing? When did that happen? I do remember people blaming excessive rain on moon landings yellowcanine Aug 2012 #154

An epic thread. Codeine Aug 2012 #177

Fl femrap Aug 2012 #127

I think it's crap Confusious Aug 2012 #57

v femrap Aug 2012 #131

losing a foreskin makes a man less able to bond with a woman? then its true. a man's roguevalley Aug 2012 #61

Not to mention that the man will mourn the loss of the foreskin for the rest of his life..... yellowcanine Aug 2012 #104

Utter codswallop. Codeine Aug 2012 #62

Intercourse is different, not sure about bonding unc70 Aug 2012 #89

U femrap Aug 2012 #130

This sounds like industrial strength woo to me. MadrasT Aug 2012 #95

+1 Epic woo. Crazy talk. nt hifiguy Aug 2012 #100

So femrap Aug 2012 #121

With all due respect, opinions on penises from nonmedical women Thor_MN Aug 2012 #96

po femrap Aug 2012 #119

Why is it a sin to eat lobster and pork? NickB79 Aug 2012 #141

e femrap Aug 2012 #143

Critical thinking is important. kiva Aug 2012 #101

A femrap Aug 2012 #117

Your source isn't an endocrinologist either, he's a fucking loon Codeine Aug 2012 #152

I wondered about that and the poster probably knows that. yellowcanine Aug 2012 #153

"Internet lecture"........"the gentleman cited studies but I didn't write them down." yellowcanine Aug 2012 #103

G femrap Aug 2012 #115

If you have sources cite them. Close-minded is making assertions without attribution. yellowcanine Aug 2012 #125

d femrap Aug 2012 #134

you should get slammed for that shit. cali Aug 2012 #108

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F femrap Aug 2012 #128

Ya know - calling people who disagree "close-minded" is kind of rude. yellowcanine Aug 2012 #135

click femrap Aug 2012 #142

No ban... ElboRuum Aug 2012 #123

pi femrap Aug 2012 #126

Halfpasthuman.com? Codeine Aug 2012 #150

Does it make it any easier to shave? jberryhill Aug 2012 #2

Oh, Lordy.. If only I had a pitbull to hide behind at the Olive Garden while breast feeding openly. hlthe2b Aug 2012 #3

Chicken thread! Chicken thread! Lasher Aug 2012 #12

You leave your corn flakes out of it! hlthe2b Aug 2012 #14

And UTI's can occur without symptoms and cause permanent kidney damage. pnwmom Aug 2012 #4

eh WooWooWoo Aug 2012 #6

I have a good friend who converted to Islam and married a Muslim young woman. MADem Aug 2012 #20

That's because up until around 10 days old or so Panasonic Aug 2012 #39

A reliable link to back up that statement about no nerve endings? Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #72

Nonsense dkhbrit Aug 2012 #116

That's been debunked Xithras Aug 2012 #139

If there's no nerve endings how do they feel that it is cold? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #145

Could be possible. GaYellowDawg Aug 2012 #169

You can provide sources that prove babies don't feel pain? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #170

Oh, wonderful, a poster who puts straw men in their subject line. GaYellowDawg Aug 2012 #174

The question was on whether or not it hurts the child 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #180

That does not justify the straw man in the reply title. GaYellowDawg Aug 2012 #182

I was trying to stay on topic 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #184

Bull. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #148

Eh... kenfrequed Aug 2012 #105

He did if he wanted to marry his bride. MADem Aug 2012 #110

It was a choice he made as an adult 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #147

Well no--it wasn't a choice because he would have had to abandon his bride. MADem Aug 2012 #159

Unless someone put a gun to his head he had a choice to marry or not marry that woman 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #160

Well, you might be one of the rare few people who thinks getting married is like buying a loaf of MADem Aug 2012 #161

You feel marriage is not a choice? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #162

The suggestion was that being forced to NOT marry was acceptable. MADem Aug 2012 #178

You say it wasn't a choice 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #181

If you think "choosing" to marry or not, once a person is engaged, is an actual choice, I feel sorry MADem Aug 2012 #187

This is surreal 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #190

male circumcision is no more mutilation than any surgery.... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #194

If a doctor performed FGM would it not be mutilation? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #195

we do a lot of things without their consent for health reasons... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #197

The health reasons for circumcision are largely being found to be bunk 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #198

hygiene purposes... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #200

Soap/water - heard of it? closeupready Aug 2012 #203

In the US, in 2012? Where could anyone possibly access such things 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #206

Duh, of course. Excuse my stupidity - closeupready Aug 2012 #211

soap and water don't prevent all infections... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #207

From your link: 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #205

all you are proving is that there is not a medical consensus on the issue... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #209

So if there is a pretty strong consensus that there aren't any real benefits 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #212

let parents and doctors decide Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #219

And for my other example . . . 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #221

It damn well is if, after reflection, I say it is. closeupready Aug 2012 #196

so you oppose all procedures done on infants? Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #199

If not medically necessary, I sure do. 'My body, my choice' closeupready Aug 2012 #201

there are plenty of doctors who think it is medically necessary.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #204

Most doctors take my position. closeupready Aug 2012 #210

then why does almost every ob doctor do circumcisions? Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #213

If you tell your doctor you don't want your kids vaccinated they will comply 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #222

Why do they? I thought they were supposed to be specialists Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #228

There are doctors in Egypt who believe the same thing about female genital cutting. Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #227

I read once about pipoman Aug 2012 #28

Get a grip! xtraxritical Aug 2012 #66

What is a minor procedure in infants Warpy Aug 2012 #30

i think the question is, should it be the parents decision WooWooWoo Aug 2012 #35

There are no medical benefits to female circumcision, so this isn't comparable. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #43

Maybe they just need to look harder. Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #83

While inflammatory kenfrequed Aug 2012 #133

"Circumcision - a surgery in search of a problem" closeupready Aug 2012 #166

What part of simple procedure in infancy, serious procedure later Warpy Aug 2012 #48

so "my body, my decision" WooWooWoo Aug 2012 #92

It only applies to females, not males. Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #97

Yup. On this board, at least. closeupready Aug 2012 #167

Check out age of consent in your state Warpy Aug 2012 #136

"age of consent"? Really? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #149

Since they're not at age of consent, does that mean it's okay to have sex with them? Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #229

I don't think possibly painful = serious or drastic Nine Aug 2012 #98

It's not a minor procedure. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #120

In infants, yes it is. GaYellowDawg Aug 2012 #172

Hysteria? The foreskin has more nerve endings than the clitoris ilikeitthatway Aug 2012 #237

Having your clitoris removed is more painful as an adult than as a child 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #171

Most adult circumcisions are done because of a medical complication riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #179

Minor? Um, no. ilikeitthatway Aug 2012 #236

I watched it done to my son. It obviously hurt like a son of a bitch. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #250

Mohel's new profession: calsawals Aug 2012 #111

we have foreskin for a reason Enrique Aug 2012 #7

We have an appendix for a reason as well, contrary to what we were told once upon a 2on2u Aug 2012 #13

how about tonsils? wordpix Aug 2012 #51

Nowadays tonsils mostly stay in unless they interfere with breathing AngryAmish Aug 2012 #99

we have foreskin for a reason AlbertCat Aug 2012 #19

However, that reason may be less valid since the advent of wearing clothes. Psephos Aug 2012 #32

foreskin is purposeful calsawals Aug 2012 #112

I have that tattooed on my shaved private area jberryhill Aug 2012 #86

The science seems quite sound. hifiguy Aug 2012 #8

Yes, although from the article, it seems they are basing this analysis off a few studies in Uganda. antigone382 Aug 2012 #9

These were large-scale WHO studies conducted in different countries in Africa pnwmom Aug 2012 #17

These studies had scientific problems... My Pet Goat Aug 2012 #59

All study participants had the same counseling about safe sex pnwmom Aug 2012 #63

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #80

The French National Council on AIDS (2007) has stated Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #242

Why is the medical consensus in the rest of the developed world not buying it? Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #73

No, it isn't. Not even close. Please see the link below for explanation. idwiyo Aug 2012 #87

Science not that sound unc70 Aug 2012 #88

Please PM me with the link to your post. I would love to read it and don't want to miss it. idwiyo Aug 2012 #191

Not to mention the bland fondue.... 2on2u Aug 2012 #10

I'm gonna have to keep an eye on this thread! Time for a snack... LeftofObama Aug 2012 #11

Circumsized men sulphurdunn Aug 2012 #15

Doctors Charge $300 and hour + Tips. n/t Grassy Knoll Aug 2012 #16

I'd like to see comparisons with European countries, not Uganda, to see medical benefits. Mass Aug 2012 #18

The majority of European men -- indeed, the majority of ALL men, are uncircumcised RufusTFirefly Aug 2012 #21

No no no! Hydra Aug 2012 #24

You sound like my neighbor discussing global warming joeglow3 Aug 2012 #183

That's the problem with lazy science Hydra Aug 2012 #186

I'd like to see comparisons of countries with a high degree of personal hygiene Art_from_Ark Aug 2012 #31

That too.... Mass Aug 2012 #36

But their wee wees fall off at age 62. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2012 #41

If you actually believe that, Art_from_Ark Aug 2012 #47

Is it a nice bridge? Will you take a check? Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2012 #50

Oh, I think it's quite obvious from the picture Art_from_Ark Aug 2012 #56

That's why their nursing home workers don't complain about it. Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #75

ding ding, me too. wordpix Aug 2012 #52

Yes, but the men are so pale and wan and... Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #74

Statistical outlier 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #158

holy hell not this again iamthebandfanman Aug 2012 #23

Nothing like a good penis thread to liven things up Major Nikon Aug 2012 #27

Oh, this is going to be going on for awhile. Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #230

Nothing is more important than preservation of the teeny tiny turtleneck. aquart Aug 2012 #26

... xchrom Aug 2012 #33

or as we prefer to call it, "the elephant trunk" wordpix Aug 2012 #53

And again if that sort of bullshit statement were made about fgm you would be out of here. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #58

Teeny tiny?! Codeine Aug 2012 #64

Except for the itty bitty clitties. Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #76

Let's ask Anthony Weiner. Fuddnik Aug 2012 #34

And we are all experts on HIS thing. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2012 #40

How come they cherrypicked the comparison. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #37

dam posts like this makes me miss the lounge..... madrchsod Aug 2012 #42

Many years ago when I was a nurse in OB delivery flying_wahini Aug 2012 #44

It is mentioned above Sgent Aug 2012 #46

"designed to" jberryhill Aug 2012 #54

you forgot to mention HankyDub Aug 2012 #65

Women dying in childbirth is not part of "intelligent design". Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2012 #252

having had some experience with old elephant trunk, wordpix Aug 2012 #55

From the report... My Pet Goat Aug 2012 #60

I think this study would have more relevance to practices in the US Emillereid Aug 2012 #67

The AAP Sgent Aug 2012 #78

Need to pay attention to the number needed treat to have even a small effect. Emillereid Aug 2012 #82

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #68

I wonder how quickly that post would get hidden Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #85

Wonder how many people get papillomavirus (HPV) via oral n/t AlphaCentauri Aug 2012 #69

They should have their mouths cut out at birth for their own protection. Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #90

At least they wouldn't blame uncircumcised men n/t AlphaCentauri Aug 2012 #157

They can have my sons' foreskins when they pry them from my cold dead fingers. Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #71

Doctors' Circumcision Recommendations Influenced By Personal Factors, Study Finds Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #77

More than Foreskin: Circumcision Status, History of HIV/STI, and Sexual Risk in a Clinic-Based Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #79

"When bad science kills, or how to spread AIDS" by Brian D. Earp idwiyo Aug 2012 #84

Than you for this link unc70 Aug 2012 #94

One more reason for me to know that *my* penis is AWESOME! n/t Ian David Aug 2012 #102

Christopher Hitchens on circumcision Brainstormy Aug 2012 #106

Neonatal nurse writing on circumcision Brainstormy Aug 2012 #107

I don't see how anyone can support this cpwm17 Aug 2012 #129

My sons were alright during the procedure Nikia Aug 2012 #144

I actually laughed at one part of this GaYellowDawg Aug 2012 #173

Well it's a good thing you're circumcised cpwm17 Aug 2012 #189

Agreed. Fully. nt Union Scribe Aug 2012 #241

"<cut> " Remmah2 Aug 2012 #109

When will people stop treating this propaganda as though it were "news"? JackRiddler Aug 2012 #118

Cranking up the popcorn maker... ElboRuum Aug 2012 #122

We haven't had a Chuggo thread in a while... ElboRuum Aug 2012 #124

So condoms don't stop those things? Alduin Aug 2012 #132

I can only go on my on experience... Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #137

+1 not to mention -i like being cut. xchrom Aug 2012 #151

Weird thought, but not everything is about you. closeupready Aug 2012 #164

Gee, sorry for sharing. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #185

The topic of this thread is not your penis. closeupready Aug 2012 #188

Yeah, and I get tired of anti-circumcision fanatics. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #192

Favoring a form of penis with which boys are born is not closeupready Aug 2012 #193

Going on and on about a topic that excites a mere handful of people smacks of fanatacism. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #220

On this issue, it's the tiny minority of fanatics who spew 99% of the venom. apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #244

Take your religious sideshow and hocus-pocus elsewhere. closeupready Aug 2012 #245

I'll take the voice of reason right where I please, thank you very much. apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #247

just when gonorrhea is becoming incurable. pansypoo53219 Aug 2012 #138

If the science is sound, then young men - Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2012 #155

Removing the penis entirely would eliminate STDs and unwanted pregnancies entirely 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #156

that doesn't even make sense... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #202

No it wouldn't 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #208

notice all of that says to give parents the information and let them decide... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #214

It actually says that circumcision is not advisable 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #215

I personly don't care...leave it up to parents and their doctor.... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #217

I would second guess anyone making permanent medical decisions 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #218

I made my position clear and you parse my words.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #224

Or more often based on consulting their religious figure of choice 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #225

"looks better" - well, there's a first for everything, I suppose. closeupready Aug 2012 #226

"His body, his choice." closeupready Aug 2012 #163

Q: how do you get a progressive to argue for religion trumping personal choice? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #216

Yeah, funny how that works. closeupready Aug 2012 #223

Except for medical emergencies, intentional amputation should always be ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #168

16 states' Medicaid programs don't pay for elective infant circumcision. Butterbean Aug 2012 #175

18 states. Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #231

I suspected as much. It read that way. Thank you. n/t Butterbean Aug 2012 #243

I had daughters so in the end I didn't have to worry about this gollygee Aug 2012 #176

Anti-circ RN EllkayRN Aug 2012 #232

Thank you for sharing your perspectives and experiences on this thread. Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #233

Excellent points from an informed source. Thank you and annabanana Aug 2012 #234

Baloney! All debunked, and licences ought to be stripped. ilikeitthatway Aug 2012 #235

Routine circumcision came to America thanks to a Christian fundamentalist ilikeitthatway Aug 2012 #238

"Plain Facts for Old and Young" by John Harvey Kellog. The scientific thinking Crunchy Frog Aug 2012 #239

Barbaric mutiliation with no good reason to do it. Only religious insanity. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2012 #240

Whatever. kwassa Aug 2012 #248

She obviously thinks mutiliating her son is good, then. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2012 #249

She obviously doesn't think it is mutilation. kwassa Aug 2012 #251

It IS mutilation no matter what she thinks. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2012 #253

I don't think it is mutilation either. kwassa Aug 2012 #256

The same could be said for any kind of mutilation 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #254

Civilized countries allow circumcision. kwassa Aug 2012 #257

And in this case they're wrong 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #258

I've been silent on this issue long enough - and I know you are all dying to hear my opinion :) cabot Aug 2012 #246

People circumcise because it seems normal to them. Nine Aug 2012 #255

The origins of circumsism..... E_A_ Aug 2012 #259

It's not always about religion. Nine Aug 2012 #260

Info E_A_ Aug 2012 #261