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Sapient Donkey

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45. China has capitalism on its side
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 12:50 PM
Sep 2021

China on its own a force to be reckoned with, but it has a strong ally called capitalism. Not only can it use capitalism as a stick to beat the west, but it can also use it as a shield. China is a giant market that makes countries and corporations less likely to go against it out of fear of losing access to the Chinese markets. The writing is on the wall for what a Chinese dominated world will look like. Even if it's not total domination, they will have a lot of influence over how the future world will look. Our western liberal democracies have many flaws, but they are a hell of a lot better than what China has planned. It's my impression that they take the worst aspects of the US and amplify it 100x over.

Let's take the Xinjiang camps as example. They are horrible even if we buy into the Chinese propaganda about how they are all smiling and happy to be put into these reeducation camps. In modern day western liberal democracies, how would it be viewed if we did the exact same thing? If we built large camps to put a certain ethic minority into so that we could reeducate them to be more "American" (which would actually be more 'white' if we consider the goal is to make them more culturally Han in China) Wouldn't fly even if we use the most charitable description used in Chinese propaganda. Sure, we have messed up policies on our borders, but compared to China its pretty mild. Also, we can actually discuss and criticize our governments/politicians in order to effect change. Try doing that in China. You think NSA spying was bad, aye?

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After three empires have died off there. China is going to give it a try Walleye Sep 2021 #1
China is going to be much smarter. Not start a full scale war on the populace. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #4
I do feel pretty sure they will handle it better than we did Walleye Sep 2021 #6
They will handle it much much better than anyone else. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #8
I can't say I disagree. Human rights will take a big hit Walleye Sep 2021 #17
Yes the Taliban and China will agree not to interfere with each other's internal affairs. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #20
China already is a super power relayerbob Sep 2021 #31
They are not quite there yet and they know it. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #33
That actually isn't part of the definition of superpower relayerbob Sep 2021 #38
A superpower must have regional control, that is what exerting influence by your definition means. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #41
Nope relayerbob Sep 2021 #42
In any case, we are mostly debating semantics relayerbob Sep 2021 #44
That's right!!! McKim Sep 2021 #18
China has been quietly colonizing Africa for decades. Quite successfully. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #21
Agreed relayerbob Sep 2021 #39
China has only four bases, while The United States have many hundreds military bases ... TomWilm Sep 2021 #22
Yes the Chinese military has been in Africa for a long time now. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #23
100% true relayerbob Sep 2021 #32
China to give a master lesson: how to take over a country without bombing it back to the Stone Age. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #40
So NO "Chinese occupation" then. Thanks for your correction. TomWilm Sep 2021 #53
China shares a border with Afghanistan SmittyWerben Sep 2021 #25
China gave it a try back around 500 AD Mad_Mongol Sep 2021 #46
Interesting history, thanks Walleye Sep 2021 #47
China wants access to Afghanistan's natural resources. Lonestarblue Sep 2021 #2
China also needs a stable Afghanistan for its Belt and Road initiative. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #3
History is not on that side ashredux Sep 2021 #11
China is using a different strategy from the West, so cannot be compared to them. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #13
Everyone has a "different strategy". Again none have been successful for centuries ashredux Sep 2021 #16
We ignore China at our own peril. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #24
Didn't say ignore them at all...but they will fail as all others have ashredux Sep 2021 #26
The Taliban will have something to say about this...Afghans' have fought the Chinese for centuries Tommymac Sep 2021 #28
The new China is much different from the old China. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #37
China has capitalism on its side Sapient Donkey Sep 2021 #45
Well, we've already done it and it didn't work out so well for either the Indigenous or the African littlemissmartypants Sep 2021 #48
And anything of that nature is rightfully criticized. Sapient Donkey Sep 2021 #51
Yes. Now we'll be even more enslaved to China's "stuff" oldsoftie Sep 2021 #7
And unfortunately US companies shared so much innovative technology with them Lonestarblue Sep 2021 #9
What we did not give them, China stole. So yes they have it all. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #34
Excellent point. And they are still stealing. nt littlemissmartypants Sep 2021 #49
Of course they are still stealing secrets and other underhanded tricks. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #50
Political economy plus the long view is China's game lonely bird Sep 2021 #27
Predicted year is 2028. China will be largest world economy. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #36
Just like I predicted! Massive airbase, move in ready, they control the airspace over vast region. Shanti Shanti Shanti Sep 2021 #5
Hubris...they will fail as have all others ashredux Sep 2021 #10
Chinese want to extract the minerals and looks like the Taliban are just fucking communists... turbinetree Sep 2021 #12
There are Muslims and there are heretics. lonely bird Sep 2021 #29
Both the Taliban and the Chinese will look the other way in terms of internal affairs. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #35
If they do this, they are proving they are the same as Russia, US, & Britain - all failed there. lark Sep 2021 #14
Awwww, how cute is that? Phil the Kilibuster Sep 2021 #15
Have a nice time, China. (nt) Paladin Sep 2021 #19
Countless tax dollars spent over numerous administrations to enrich and assist our global enemy Devil Child Sep 2021 #30
I know it was expected China would move in to make some deals, but I didn't see anyone predict Sapient Donkey Sep 2021 #43
This article is short on facts, and long on speculation. I'd suggest the Chinese will offer to Martin68 Sep 2021 #52
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