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7. Unemployment claims are not the same as unemployment rate, or even a good proxy for
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 10:49 AM
Sep 25

Less than half of workers are covered by the unemployment insurance system. In addition, unemployment insurance lasts only so long. Unemployment can last a lifetime.

https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

While the UI claims data provide useful information, they are not used to measure total unemployment because they exclude several important groups. To begin with, not all workers are covered by UI programs. For example, self-employed workers, unpaid family workers, workers in certain not-for-profit organizations, and several other small (primarily seasonal) worker categories are not covered.

In addition, the insured unemployed exclude the following:

- Unemployed workers who have exhausted their benefits.

- Unemployed workers who have not yet earned benefit rights (such as new entrants or reentrants to the labor force).

- Disqualified workers whose unemployment is considered to have resulted from their own actions rather than from economic conditions; for example, a worker fired for misconduct on the job.

- Otherwise eligible unemployed persons who do not file for benefits.

Indeed, over the past decade, only about one-third of the total unemployed, on average, received regular UI benefits.


What we have is a low-hire, low-fire job market.

So no, this is not a good reason to change interest rates.

Here is the full unemployment insurance claims report -- it's interesting to look at the graphs

https://www.dol.gov/ui/data.pdf

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KKR guy just said that without deportations & scares, unemployment would be around 5 percent. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 25 #1
Looks like all the reasons for more rates cuts is gone UpInArms Sep 25 #2
Are we great enough yet? IronLionZion Sep 25 #3
Why should we believe these rzemanfl Sep 25 #4
We shouldn't. They are most likely BS. hadEnuf Sep 25 #5
That Canadian guy is gonna respond I'm sure wolfie001 Sep 25 #9
see post #10 Wiz Imp Sep 25 #13
The Unemployment Claims numbers are not calculated by the Federal Government Wiz Imp Sep 25 #10
I don't trust their math and won't/can't do it myself because some states don't report. rzemanfl Sep 25 #21
Trust me. The data is accurate. Wiz Imp Sep 25 #22
Not everything is a conspiracy Polybius Friday #25
Thanks wolfie001 Friday #23
Well, these numbers are for NEW CLAIMS TexasBushwhacker Friday #26
Correct. Wiz Imp Friday #27
Any statistics coming from this crowd are not believable Ritabert Sep 25 #6
see post #10 Wiz Imp Sep 25 #11
Unemployment claims are not the same as unemployment rate, or even a good proxy for progree Sep 25 #7
Your point is 100% correct Wiz Imp Sep 25 #17
Are we at the point of actually believing any economic data that comes out of the Trump administration? lees1975 Sep 25 #8
see post #10 Wiz Imp Sep 25 #12
I heard a cow flew over the moon last week, too relayerbob Sep 25 #14
see post #10 Wiz Imp Sep 25 #18
Suuuuuure. I believe whatever numbers these lying thugs put out. niyad Sep 25 #15
see post #10 Wiz Imp Sep 25 #19
Hiring has been weak so layoffs are lower too IbogaProject Sep 25 #16
Choose to believe any further reports at your peril. Buddyzbuddy Sep 25 #20
You can bet that every serious business person reading this news is taking it with an entire pound of salt truthisfreedom Friday #24
I do not believe anything that comes from this regime. sinkingfeeling Friday #28
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