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17. I did not "fail big time." I did not "fail" at all. You admitted my point.

Wed Oct 1, 2025, 07:10 PM

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You attacked a DUer who thinks BLS data can no longer be trusted. There are good grounds to doubt BLS data now. Goshen worries about the data herself. What part of Goshen's qualifier, "unless there is an outside attempt to interfere with its operations" do you not understand?

As I noted, Goshen went on to say:

...I worry very much about falling participation rates among employers and households. If they believe the administration’s claim that the data were manipulated, then they might decide to drop out. Or they might feel that, even if the data wasn’t manipulated before, if the administration is going to manipulate it going forward, then why bother to participate?

Response rates [on both CPS and CES] have been falling steadily for the past decade. And while they typically don’t fall precipitously on a month-to-month basis, it could happen.

Trump’s intentional outside interference by way of his unprecedented attacks on BLS data could, and very well may already be, affecting the data by accelerating the drop off in participation rates. You admit this.

Please stop with the childish "you fail" gamesmanship. We're all on the same side here, or at least we're supposed to be.

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Nice try. But you failed big time. You'll find that I've never typed a single word in any post here Wiz Imp Wednesday #15

I did not "fail big time." I did not "fail" at all. You admitted my point. SunSeeker Wednesday #17

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You failed at your implication of tRump interference. "unless" is a hypothetical, a possibility, nowhere near a fact.nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #22

Trump has interfered by slandering BLS statisticians. That is why Groshen is worried (her words). SunSeeker Yesterday #28

We are all worried, but it is important to not cynically assume facts not in evidence. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #31

There's plenty of evidence of Trump defaming BLS staff and BLS survey responses dropping off. SunSeeker Yesterday #36

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Groshen is not insulting BLS, nor am I. We are pointing out how Trump is harming BLS. SunSeeker Yesterday #39

It's about time you stated that. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #40

It's about time you stopped insulting me....nt SunSeeker Yesterday #42

Your excerpt indicates NO problem from political influence and MAYBE survey lack of response maybe in the FUTURE. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #20

Groshen is worried for a reason. I think she knows what she is talking about. SunSeeker Yesterday #30

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