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31. "The insurance companies are making a fortune," he said.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 12:00 AM
Nov 18

Blame it on companies in business to make a profit. I guess he wants the insurers to give up some of their profits so he can increase the General Fund and get some refunds for the Trump Organization.

"Greed is good." (Gordan Gekko, "Wall Street." )

AI Overview

The question of whether health insurance companies' profits are exorbitant is a subject of intense public and political debate, with different data points leading to conflicting conclusions.

Arguments that Profits are Exorbitant

Massive Aggregate Profits: The six largest for-profit health insurers collectively reported billions in annual profits, with the top five bringing in over $371 billion in profits since the passage of the Affordable Care Act (ACA). UnitedHealth Group alone accounts for over 40% of that total.

Shareholder Payouts: A significant amount of revenue, at least $2.6 trillion from 2001-2022, has been diverted from patient care to shareholder payouts (dividends and stock buybacks) across the broader healthcare industry, including insurers.
CEO Compensation: Top executives receive high compensation packages; in 2024, the CEOs of the seven biggest publicly traded health insurers earned a combined $146.1 million.

Vertical Integration: Corporations that own the insurer, the doctors, and the pharmacies can turn every part of care into a profit center, which critics argue is at the patient's expense.

Perverse Incentives: The ACA requires insurers to spend at least 80% of premiums on medical care (Medical Loss Ratio, or MLR). Critics argue this can incentivize companies to increase total costs to make more money, as a 3% profit on a larger premium is more than on a smaller one.

Rising Premiums Amidst Denials: Insurers have pushed for significant premium hikes even while they deny a large number of claims, leading to accusations that they prioritize profits over patient care.

Arguments that Profits are Not Exorbitant (Low Margins)

Low Net Profit Margins: When viewed as a percentage of total revenue, health insurers' profit margins are often cited as relatively low compared to other healthcare sectors like pharmaceuticals. Typical estimates place health insurer margins around 3%-6%. In 2024, the industry's average profit margin fell to a decade-low of 0.8% due to increased medical costs.

Underwriting Losses Offset by Investments: In some periods, the industry has experienced underwriting losses (paying out more in claims than collected in premiums), which were offset by investment income to remain profitable.

Subsidizing Government Programs: Some analyses argue that commercial insurers help subsidize payment deficiencies from government programs like Medicare and Medicaid, suggesting they aren't the primary villains for overall healthcare costs.

Ultimately, the perception of "exorbitant profits" often depends on whether one focuses on the overall dollar value of profits and shareholder payouts (which are large and increasing) or on the percentage of profit relative to total revenue (which can be a smaller margin than in other industries).

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This is all bullshit. Democrats would not like what he is proposing to do. OLDMDDEM Nov 17 #1
Talking AT Dems , not "to"... and definitely not "with". mpcamb Nov 17 #17
The subsidies Traildogbob Nov 17 #2
Like everything else with this fool, he has no idea how insurance actually works,... the nelm Nov 17 #21
That's just health interests moving piles of cash from one pocket to another. What's to cut prices??? marble falls Nov 17 #3
Yeah, Donny, tell us another fairy tale. DinahMoeHum Nov 17 #4
WTF? The ACA is working, just fund the damn thing. Does he know the coverage comes from private companies? Vinca Nov 17 #5
The Hill of course gab13by13 Nov 17 #6
Cantaloupe Caligula The Corpulent Said... GB_RN Nov 17 #7
Yeah, right...what? TWO WEEKS like his infrastucture plan? AZ8theist Nov 17 #8
Something else... GiqueCee Nov 17 #9
Every single thing popsdenver Nov 17 #10
What is the practical intent here? To allow people to buy higher deductible and presumably cheaper plans? LonePirate Nov 17 #11
OK - what about the pre-existing condition clause and the lifetime caps. Two very very important gains in the ACA Marie Marie Nov 17 #12
How can anybody be this stupid? Wiz Imp Nov 17 #13
This is his "selling" of insurance privatization nationwide as a new front for attacking Medicare, ancianita Nov 17 #14
If he eventually gets around to thinking single payer is his idea intrepidity Nov 17 #15
Let's not forget the rest of ACA Bluetus Nov 17 #16
And are these "Democrats" in the room with him now? VMA131Marine Nov 17 #18
UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE NOW Karma13612 Nov 17 #19
the part I don't get is the failure to realize dingosatemyusername Nov 18 #39
Exactly. Karma13612 Nov 18 #41
Why can't we have what other countries have? twodogsbarking Nov 17 #20
Oh...like the $2k checks to Americans from the tariffs..or that he bailed out the farmers...bull crap PortTack Nov 17 #22
Let's not forget the Doge checks Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 18 #33
A "direct health care payment plan" dflprincess Nov 17 #23
Universal Healthcare bmichaelh Nov 17 #24
Wow, what if this could be done with afterlife? Just go to a store and buy however much afterlife we need, directly! RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 17 #25
That does nothing to control premiums. RandySF Nov 17 #26
He talks like an 8-year-old: "It's up a gazillion million quadruple percent!" C Moon Nov 17 #27
This fucking ignorant fuck Blues Heron Nov 17 #28
..talked to them "about paying large amounts of dollars back to the people." Septua Nov 17 #29
What A Simpleton DallasNE Nov 17 #30
"The insurance companies are making a fortune," he said. Septua Nov 18 #31
He's probably lying Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 18 #32
Why not do the sensible thing? Aussie105 Nov 18 #34
So the genius idea is Diraven Nov 18 #35
How come we're hearing nothing about these talks from the Democrats? Hugin Nov 18 #36
Don't know if anyone said this yet Snoopy 7 Nov 18 #37
As long as health insurance remains a for-profit system mdbl Nov 18 #38
Dems should refuse to meet him. Tell him to write his plan up and send it to us for review. nt Hotler Nov 18 #40
Anytime trump says he is doing something Smilo Nov 18 #42
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