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eppur_se_muova

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25. "Relatively" safe spaces, and obvious targets.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 03:43 PM
Sep 15

There was a small, rickety old church by the side of a local road near where I grew up. It had almost no parking spaces and was supported by a truss in the back where the hillside had eroded away -- i.e. not premium property. Occasionally we would drive by on Sunday mornings and see an amazingly large crowd of Black churchgoers -- mostly elderly -- and cars jammed in wherever they could find the space. Then, suddenly, one day it was gone. We later learned someone had burned it down. At the time (I was still in grade school) I was just thinking "vandalism" but later realized it was probably a hate crime.

Things were pretty segregated where I grew up -- not by law, but by custom and especially "redlining", most likely. We didn't know of a single Black family in our subdivision and I only ever saw two Black students in five years at the same school, so I just didn't know what sort of things Blacks put up with until I grew up and went to college, but in informed retrospect there were a lot of bad signs there.

Actually, my Dad's family lived in B'ham, but all that happened "over there" at "that church" to "those people", so even though it was national news we didn't hear much about it as kids. Had to read the history books to find out what happened just a short distance from relatives we visited fairly frequently.

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MAGAs gonna start a war with no_hypocrisy Sep 15 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author DUMember24 Sep 15 #2
Historically, Black churches were often the only "safe space" where Black communities could convene and debate. eppur_se_muova Sep 15 #5
Today is the 62nd Anniversary of the bombing of the 16th Street Church in Birmingham AL neohippie Sep 15 #11
Thank you for your post duhneece Sep 15 #21
and let's be clear Charlie Kirk would applaud those bombings JT45242 Sep 15 #22
"Relatively" safe spaces, and obvious targets. eppur_se_muova Sep 15 #25
Sad but true. calimary Sep 15 #28
First question: No. Second question: No. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Sep 16 #30
Make sure people know Kirk facts (racism, misogyny) whenever a maga pushes the hagiography of Kirk Bernardo de La Paz Sep 15 #3
You could quote a ten-page racist screed by Kirk... Orrex Sep 15 #7
Let them. People within earshot will know. Challenge the racist fanbois to prove the "context". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 15 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author eppur_se_muova Sep 15 #4
It is Kirk's Lying Gospel of Hate that should spark national outrage, not the honest words of this pastor. Midnight Writer Sep 15 #6
Just wait for the funeral. They're gonna try and convince the public he was a saint. Fil1957 Sep 15 #8
Pastor Wesley's commentary about Kirk was spot on...as he said, there is nothing in the Bible that iluvtennis Sep 15 #10
Charlie Kirk was indeed and unapologetic racist, based on his own words. Martin68 Sep 15 #12
"And how you die does not redeem how you lived..." harumph Sep 15 #13
The pastor is correct. Beacool Sep 15 #14
One of the best take downs of the dead stochastic terrorist yet. GoneOffShore Sep 15 #15
Show me where he lied JustAnotherGen Sep 15 #16
You notice the inflammatory headline Keepthesoulalive Sep 15 #18
As you sow, so shall you reap. appleannie1 Sep 15 #17
Charlie Kirk was an unapologetic racist .... prove me wrong. bsiebs Sep 15 #19
I see what you did there. Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 16 #29
I feel especially sorry for the non-white-male service men and women ordered to show him these honors William Seger Sep 15 #20
What I have learned from history is that if you live long enough you get to see it repeat itself. twodogsbarking Sep 15 #23
I'm in trouble at work because Friday here was like a wake. And this in an outpatient medical clinic LT Barclay Sep 15 #24
What is there to debate? BeyondGeography Sep 15 #26
Pray for his soul. returnee Sep 15 #27
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