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structure their sex life or lack thereof, however they want, assuming Consenting Adults and all that.

So to be not engaging in PIV, personally, does not even imply celibacy, etc. I mean, Lesbians are inherently not going to be engaging in PIV, although it is interesting how in some of these blogs special vitriol and hate is reserved for lesbians who even use, you know, anything which could be considered a proxy for a phallus, in their sexuality. Apparently they aren't meeting the rigorous blame-a-tronic standards, either.

Rather, it's the philosophical positioning on the act itself, the broad demanding (not to mention, prima facie absurd) edicts to other people that penetrative sex must be abolished- that the act is inherently evil and oppressive, not to mention "unnatural"... it treads WAY into whack-a-doodle territory.

And speaking of Dworkin - which is really the source on a lot of these notions- it remains my take, and that of even many of her allies, that she had some serious mental issues, to the point that by the time she died she was hallucinating and fully broken from anything resembling reality.

But she did not as far as I am aware actually backtrack on her comments, she realized that some of them didn't play well so she tried to fudge them with semantic obfuscation, but she remained pretty extreme in viewpoints on sexual relationships, up until the end.

I view her as a sad figure, more than anything else. She was obviously tormented by invisible demons of her own creation.