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westerebus

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33. The identification "liberal" does not exist in a vacuum.

Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:32 AM

Mar 2014

The idea of liberal philosophy is one thing, putting it into the context of American politics, it's the outcome that matters.

You asked for a clarification on my view of the baggage attached to the term liberal as an identification.

I presented to you a list of liberal concepts and questioned their outcomes.

It would be just as easy to use conservative concepts and much easier to see their flaws.

Sorry you don't like the choices of American voters, I can't change that history.

More voters position themselves as independents each year. It's been that way for decades.

I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a conservative.

I want the system changed. I simply do not want to keep what is corrupted.

That puts me outside the main stream. Sorry that doesn't fit your way of thinking.

The state has its place. It should derive its authority from the consent of the people.

That is the liberal cornerstone of political philosophy.

The driver of which is economics.

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Why don't more men identify as liberal? [View all] ElboRuum Mar 2014 OP

One of the main factors, imo opiate69 Mar 2014 #1

So it's an image problem? ElboRuum Mar 2014 #3

Well, another thing I've noticed is, opiate69 Mar 2014 #5

To the first point... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #7

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Possibly... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #4

I understand that part Major Nikon Mar 2014 #14

Honestly, in my experience political divisions break more on geographic and religious lines Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #6

Well... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #10

I hear you. And it's a question which has been broached, in various forms, in here before I think. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #12

80% is far too high hfojvt Mar 2014 #45

I prefer dissident. westerebus Mar 2014 #8

OK... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #11

I will have to get back to you. westerebus Mar 2014 #13

Good morning. westerebus Mar 2014 #27

The current system DOES need change. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #28

Liberal is what sense? In what context? westerebus Mar 2014 #31

Actually, none of those things... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #32

The identification "liberal" does not exist in a vacuum. westerebus Mar 2014 #33

And yet, more speeches. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #34

I have answered your question. You refuse to accept my answer. westerebus Mar 2014 #39

No you have not. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #40

Most of the "reasons" are actually self-justification. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #15

Conservatism endears itself to the idiocy of male machismo. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #16

+1 YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #17

Interesting, but not at all what I'm talking about. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #18

I'm not hijacking the thread. I'm giving you an answer. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #19

Your answer fails to answer the question... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #20

I suppose talking about the 80% of men who voted for Romney was accidental? Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #21

Not accidental. Illustrative. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #22

To accept an ideology but refuse the name implies some sort of associational shame... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #23

I don't know if it is 'shame' per se. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #24

I'm a Freudian at heart so you have my bias. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #25

I think because a "liberal man" has feminine connotations the_working_poor Mar 2014 #35

I've never thought of it that way. Liberal men are sexy. Fridays Child Mar 2014 #38

That probably is at least a part of it... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #41

I grew up in an earlier time when most people in the South were Democrats Major Nikon Mar 2014 #26

2 reasons for lack of I.D. with liberals... Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #37

Good points. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #42

Unfortunately, I think "emotional remoteness, physical violence and anti-intellectualism" is nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #43

I think article speaks to the issue. MicaelS Mar 2014 #29

Interesting points. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #30

Well CFLDem Mar 2014 #44