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Tansy_Gold

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15. Exactly. And furthermore,
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 01:25 PM
Jan 2012

If another government or another bank or another "investor" buys "securities," as has been stated before in this thread as well as others, those voluntary investors are protected. What we've seen recently, however, is representatives for those investors (aka pukes in government and some dems, too) attempting to hijack/steal/whatever you wanta call it, our "investment" in Social Security. We have no say in whether or not we contribute to it, nor do we have any control over its, well, its control.

Not only that, but we don't even own that investment. By that I mean we cannot pass it along to someone else, sell it, trade it, nothing. If we die and have no surviving spouse or dependent children who qualify to receive benefits on our behalf, our investment just stays in the kitty. That's not true of "securities," which exist in and of themselves as something the "investors" purchased. When my husband died, I became eligible to receive benefits based on his earnings, which were higher over our working lifetimes than mine, but MY FICA contributions will go to pay someone else's benefits. I'm not saying this is wrong, because in fact I think that's the way the system should work if it's to be a safety net for the retired, the disabled, the dependent. But it is different from an investment purchased and owned and potentially disposable/redeemable at will and/or at face value.

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Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but Tansy_Gold Dec 2011 #1
I own not one dime of government securities, which is how we finance the national debt. mbperrin Dec 2011 #2
Well, that's pretty much what I meant Tansy_Gold Dec 2011 #3
You've said it well, and flawlessly. mbperrin Dec 2011 #4
The Federal Government does not have to obtain money (American dollars) from any one. Sam1 Jan 2012 #6
Please cite the economist and formula that shows that government debt creates savings in the private mbperrin Jan 2012 #10
You have a degree in economics and have never heard (or studied) the chartalist perspective? jtuck004 Jan 2012 #18
I see now. It's the rather old fashioned notion that money is meant to be a store of value. mbperrin Jan 2012 #19
Yep, goods and services much more modern. Better go round up some goats jtuck004 Jan 2012 #20
Didn't read a word, did you? The money is a CLAIM for goods and services. mbperrin Jan 2012 #21
What really has value is human potential, not goods and services, and not jtuck004 Jan 2012 #22
I posted this in response to someone else. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #9
This is a little different because Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #12
Money from the Social Security Trust Fund which was created because JDPriestly Jan 2012 #14
Exactly. And furthermore, Tansy_Gold Jan 2012 #15
So, if you can afford it, invest for yourself also. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #16
If you have paid your payroll taxes -- your Social Security taxes -- your old-aged JDPriestly Jan 2012 #8
I pay the Teacher Retirement System of Texas. mbperrin Jan 2012 #11
Repudiate the national debt and let the chips fall where they may. Or Blue Hen Buckeye Jan 2012 #5
I wonder what portion of the debt is owed to the Social Security Trust Fund. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #7
About 27-30% from memory dmallind Jan 2012 #13
SSA Trust fund = $2.6 trillion - total debt now over $15 trillion banned from Kos Jan 2012 #17
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