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3. On many grids, including mine, the PJM, an electric car has a...
Wed Jul 30, 2025, 08:42 AM
Jul 30

...higher carbon impact than a pure gasoline internal combustion engine if one includes embodied energy. (A hybrid car, by contrast is clearer than both an electric car and an ICE car, the caveat being cleaner is not the same as "clean." )

I've watched this "electric cars are 'green'" fantasy with a growing sense of dismay.

When Musk proved to be an overt Nazi, it of course made my dismay transform into horror.

The only similar fantasy, actually a worse fantasy, is the "green hydrogen" fantasy that the fossil fuel industry advertises here and elsewhere with slick dishonest videos about hydrogen cars, trucks and buses and other tiresome bullshit.

Batteries and hydrogen are not primary energy and thus, owing to the laws of thermodynamics, are wasteful and therefore quite dirty. In a hybrid car however some waste energy is recaptured for use.

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