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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
32. I'm not anti-Israel. I'm pro-peace.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 03:50 PM
Sep 2016

The things you defend-the occupation and in particular the settlement project that Ben-Gurion always opposed have never made Israel any more secure or brought peace any closer.

I want BOTH sides to have better leaders-but we both know that nothing your hero Netanyahu(the man whose hate-based, war-based policies you always unquestioningly defend in this group) does or wants to do can ever lead to peace, or to a change for the better in the Palestinian leadership. Why even pretend otherwise? And why pretend that, if bigotry is even part of the reason Palestinians seek to change the situation, it is somehow possible to militarily crush bigotry? People can't be subjugated into tolerance. And you always forget the fact that, when the Palestinian leadership did make major changes in tactics in the Nineties, all they got for changng was MORE settlements and more repression.

The most "pro-Israel" position a person can take is to oppose the settlements and to call for Palestinians to be treated like human beings who are capable of living in peace with Israel if Israel as a country gives them breathing space and treats them like human beings rather than what Shamir called them.

BTW if you're going to denounce violence on the Palestinian side, will you agree that the Israelis were wrong to deport Mubarak Awad, the man who was trying to get Palestinians to use Gandhian tactics? And that no nonviolent protest marches and rallies in the Wesrt bank should ever be violently broken up by the IDF?

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so Abbas is both a terror enabler and a communist! ericson00 Sep 2016 #1
why would this be surprising? Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #2
more interesting to see who defends this scumbag ericson00 Sep 2016 #3
It's a waste of time trying to discredit Abbas, which is mainly about trying to discredit Fatah. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #7
So who should the Israeli's leftynyc Sep 2016 #11
It's a waste of time NOT to try and sit down and negotiate. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #13
And what would be the point leftynyc Sep 2016 #14
How much can they do to get their house together... Ken Burch Sep 2016 #15
Always making excuses for leaders of Hamas & the PLO, aren't you? shira Sep 2016 #19
They actually haven't made any offers remotely like that. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #21
1937 Peel, 1947 Partition, 1965 Eshkol plan, 1967 Khartoum.... shira Sep 2016 #23
If it was wrong for the Palestinians to reject those, it was equally wrong for the Israelis Ken Burch Sep 2016 #25
You didn't answer why those proposals were rejected. Still waiting.... shira Sep 2016 #27
I don't personally know all the history there, and wasn't one of those who did the rejecting. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #29
Ken, you're clearly in denial - unable to acknowledge easy reality. shira Sep 2016 #31
I'm not anti-Israel. I'm pro-peace. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #32
You can't be pro-peace when you refuse to call out evil for what it is.... shira Sep 2016 #33
Your argument that more Palestinians leftynyc Sep 2016 #30
NY Times also reporting this ericson00 Sep 2016 #4
Why the Abbas KGB ‘revelation’ came out now Little Tich Sep 2016 #5
kill the messenger? All of Abbas' moral authority, not that there was much to begin with, ericson00 Sep 2016 #6
Nothing positive would come of removing Abbas from the leadership, Ken Burch Sep 2016 #8
Criticizing & condemning Abbas, putting pressure on him can only help matters. shira Sep 2016 #17
correction 6chars Sep 2016 #9
the PLO isn't evil. It had to exist. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #16
The PLO still incites, praises, & rewards terror. Their charter still calls for that.... shira Sep 2016 #18
I don't approve of their tactics, but Israeli intransigence is the reason Fatah and Hamas exist. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #20
You don't approve their Jew hatred, rewarding & praising of murder of innocents.... shira Sep 2016 #22
I don't celebrate any of those things you listed and you damn well know it. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #24
Didn't say you did - but those acts, celebrating murder, is pure evil unseen anywhere else.... shira Sep 2016 #28
Maalot 6chars Sep 2016 #26
I don't have your ability to draw definite conclusions from such ambiguous evidence. Sorry. n/t Little Tich Sep 2016 #10
Feel free to list leftynyc Sep 2016 #12
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