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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
31. If you detest Netanyahu, then you should call him out on his habit of equating any disagreement
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 06:05 PM
Mar 2017

with what he does in the name of "security" with a wish to see Israel destroyed and with hatred of Jews.

If you hate what Israelis go through you need to acknowledge that a LOT of what Israelis go through each day is down to his lifelong ideological(not security, but ideological)opposition to the creation of a Palestinian state and his and his party's insistence expanding the West Bank settlements.

I deeply dislike a lot of what the Palestinian leadership does. But nothing the Israeli government is doing in the name of "security" has any chance of ever changing those tactics OR causing the existing Palestinian leadership to be displaced by anything better.

And displacing either Fatah or Hamas as leaders in order to sign an agreement would be useless, because even if displaced, those two organizations would still have most of the guns...which would make any agreement signed with anyone else utterly devoid of value.

Carrying on the status quo is the definition of insanity. Why defend what has never worked? Why equate any public criticism of what has been done with bigotry?

Finally, I don't live in Israel...but "Israeli" the poster does. So it's not your place to accuse her of calling for her own country to take unacceptable risks. She lives there, and as a kibbutznik, she walks the walk of being what a Zionist was supposed to mean-a commitment to building both a place of safety and a model for what a just society should be, as opposed to the empty and meaningless exercise of taking land for the SAKE of taking land. She lives in the place you and I only discuss...perhaps you should take that as proof that she can be trusted to take a responsible view on all of this.

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"this woman was unwilling to admit that Muslims would commit such a horrific attack" ck4829 Feb 2017 #1
Let's not forget leftynyc Feb 2017 #2
"Offered" a state by colonialists wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #5
Now we're considering leftynyc Feb 2017 #6
Yes, the plan was drawn up by a bunch of former colonists wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #9
Non-natives? leftynyc Feb 2017 #10
"I'm guessing, you think terrorism should be rewarded" wellst0nev0ter Feb 2017 #11
I'm sure you must know leftynyc Feb 2017 #14
So how should the non-natives be accommodated hack89 Feb 2017 #12
It was never a colony sabbat hunter Feb 2017 #22
How else will they get a state? By seizing one through violence? hack89 Feb 2017 #7
It is an interesting read. The problem I have with it is that, DanTex Feb 2017 #3
Only one side has proven leftynyc Feb 2017 #4
Nothing would be better if the unjust occupation of Gaza had continued. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #13
You OBVIOUSLY have zero leftynyc Feb 2017 #15
I don't desire any such thing. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #16
You honestly don't think leftynyc Feb 2017 #17
Nothing has constrained Netanyahu from doing anything he wanted. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #18
Oh spare me leftynyc Feb 2017 #19
Israel as a country has humanity, as do ordinary Palestinians on a person-to-person basis. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #20
The stabbing leftynyc Feb 2017 #21
That leaves an implied sylogism that forces an obvious question FBaggins Mar 2017 #44
My theory: more than anything else, it's the pragmatic need to present the appearance Ken Burch Mar 2017 #45
SO HOW THE HELL did it all start? Israeli Feb 2017 #25
If you think continuing leftynyc Feb 2017 #26
You should remember that "Israeli" actually lives in Israel. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #27
I'm very well aware of where leftynyc Mar 2017 #28
What I'm saying is that BOTH groups have real ties to this land. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #29
Have you ever been to Israel? leftynyc Mar 2017 #30
If you detest Netanyahu, then you should call him out on his habit of equating any disagreement Ken Burch Mar 2017 #31
Trying to pretend leftynyc Mar 2017 #33
If I shake my fists at rank-and-file Palestinians, all of whom are powerless Ken Burch Mar 2017 #34
well said Ken .... Israeli Mar 2017 #35
Spare me the revisionism leftynyc Mar 2017 #36
I didn't lie. I don't have time to go back and check, but the implication was always there. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #37
ALWAYS there? leftynyc Mar 2017 #39
I realize that you think that. There have always been SOME people who have done that. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #41
"" I have no intention of proving myself to you because I don't care enough to take the time.' "" Israeli Mar 2017 #38
So much space leftynyc Mar 2017 #40
Shame ....... Israeli Mar 2017 #42
alternativly ..... Israeli Mar 2017 #43
BTW - your statement leftynyc Feb 2017 #24
Hamas sabbat hunter Feb 2017 #23
There is no way to defeat them without using completely scorched-earth tactics. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #32
Fantastic read. Thank you so much for posting this, Leftnyc. grossproffit Feb 2017 #8
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