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iverglas

(38,549 posts)
36. maybe what you could help us with
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 04:26 PM
Feb 2012

is what your goal here is.

It seems to some of us that it is to minimize the incidence of sexual assault against women, and that you are using questionable tactics to do that.

Did you read the title of the paper you linked to? And yet you didn't mention it?

The Scope of Rape: Incidence and Prevalence of Sexual Aggression in a National Sample of Higher Education Students

That is not an attempt to measure lifetime risk of sexual assault. It measured the experience of a group of people aged 18-24 in relation to experience since age 14 (an odd choice, since girls experience sexual assault and abuse before that age) and in the preceding year.

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2010/07/31/no-ms-magazine-never-hired-mary-koss/

1. Koss’ study found that 1 in 4 college women surveyed have experienced rape and/or attempted rape at some point in their life. Not that “1 in 4 women will be raped.”


And I assure you, if I had wanted to be patronized, I had a stats professor who could have done that job a lot better ...

Personal experience is based on knowledge of maybe a few hundred people, and a intimate knowledge of only a handful. We often times don't know if we are the exception or the rule. Although human nature is to assume our experiences are typical. I am truly sorry about your personal experiences and those of your friends. What statistics tell me, or can tell me, is how universal that experience is.


My nature is to think, when I hear virtually identical reports from virtually every woman I ever encounter -- that each of us would be hard pressed to find a woman in our acquaintance who has not been sexually assaulted -- that something is probably going on there.

Here's another anecdote, just because I feel like sharing. My mum was sexually assaulted by her obstetrician -- just a bit of "fondling", y'know. (A word I despise; molestation is not "fondling".) Some 10 years later, I was placed in an advanced elementary school class that I spent the next three years in. I was one of a handful from the wrong end of town; most of the others were from the leafy enclave in the north end where the school was located. The son of the obstetrician in question was in my class. For three years, my mum was faced with that scumball at every school function they both attended (and there were a lot of them: dramatic presentations, field trips, museums, festivals, weekend travel, parent meetings ...). I didn't know until much later, of course. I don't know whether my dad knew; probably, but now that I think about it, I'll have to ask her. There isn't any chance the pig in question even remembered my mum, an insignificant, unassertive, unconfident 22-yr-old working class woman who momentarily crossed his privileged, wealthy, older male field of vision. But his few minutes of victimizing my mum, and how insignificant and valueless that made her feel, have never left her mind.

Fortunately, by the time I heard about it, she had matured into a more confident woman with a proper analysis of the situation: that she had been victimized as a woman and especially a low-status woman, by a pig. Just as I, fortunately, was an assertive, knowledgeable 21-yr-old feminist when I was victimized, so I didn't experience any shame or self-blame. Not until the psychiatrist I consulted for post-traumatic stress a week later told me I had a rape wish and death wish, anyhow ... and a few months later when defence counsel had me confirm repeatedly that no reasonable person could have thought I was consenting and after answering "no" three times, I left the witness box wondering whether the man who had driven me to an abandoned quarry in a car with no interior handles and choked me into near-unconsciousness when I tried to kick out a window might really have thought that my subsequent nonchalant assertion that he'd only had to ask and I did that sort of thing all the time was "consent" ...

The sexual victimization women and girls experience comes in all colours of the spectrum and leaves very few of us untouched, and to try to minimize the incidence ... I don't know, why?

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No/Stop should mean No/Stop to BOTH men and women. It doesn't always, but a preponderance of power patrice Feb 2012 #1
It sounds like the results of a poll in a backward male dominated third world country where women libinnyandia Feb 2012 #2
And how do these women think one SHOULD end a date that is going bad? saras Feb 2012 #3
This is Sad. Amazing how we have a blame the victim society. Justice wanted Feb 2012 #4
This too is human nature. WingDinger Feb 2012 #5
those survery results are horrifying. after all these decades of trying to talk, to instruct, about niyad Feb 2012 #6
I doubt the results would be much different among DUers. nt redqueen Feb 2012 #7
a truly sad thing niyad Feb 2012 #8
I believe it would probably be worse here, given our country's backwards attitudes. chrisa Feb 2012 #48
a third of respondants women who flirt are partially responsible for being raped. 2% of rape false seabeyond Feb 2012 #9
"Only 2% of accused rapists are convicted" Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #14
not to mention the fact a woman can be raped more than once. i was with three friends. 3 rapes seabeyond Feb 2012 #15
Yup, it happens a hell of a lot more then reported. Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #16
Needs more data One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #17
walk downtown, go to college, work.... regardless of social economic environment seabeyond Feb 2012 #18
Maybe, but I would like to see the data say that One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #23
I think you are assuming iverglas Feb 2012 #24
the point being, any person does not live all of life in one cloistured little safe environment seabeyond Feb 2012 #26
Guess my life experience is a bit different One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #30
and... and for me, as a woman, with friends, mother, nieces, aunts.... that really does not matter seabeyond Feb 2012 #31
that's all lots of fun iverglas Feb 2012 #32
it is interesting and noted, how i said i read 80% and the poster pulls out 20% seabeyond Feb 2012 #33
Mary Koss has decent data but it's old One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #35
maybe what you could help us with iverglas Feb 2012 #36
Point is Personal Experiences are Data not Statistics One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #37
well you've missed my points iverglas Feb 2012 #40
i will just start the first time i remember. 12, in the lunch line the boy behind me seabeyond Feb 2012 #38
And has that problem been fixed? One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #39
let's look at the topic of this thread iverglas Feb 2012 #41
Post 17 One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #43
How does this relate to the topic of blaming women for being raped? nt redqueen Feb 2012 #44
there's just something about that RAINN iverglas Feb 2012 #45
the discussion is.... the large portion of our female population being harrassed, assaulted and seabeyond Feb 2012 #42
I will back you up on knowing very few women Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #46
*Awful.* BlueIris Feb 2012 #10
The defense of the patriarchy is automatic, and not subject to analysis. redqueen Feb 2012 #11
The patriarchy must be very pleased with this. CrispyQ Feb 2012 #12
Gender difference is most interesting One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #13
we do this to psychologically protect ourselves. as long as we can blame other women for their rape La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #19
Just like how thinking that if you pee on your rapist, he'll go away. Neoma Feb 2012 #20
well that one is more intentional, i doubt these women realize what they are doing La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #21
Some do... Neoma Feb 2012 #22
I had a little debate with a health professor a few years back I am the OP Feb 2012 #25
yes, i teach both my boys and girls ways to be safe. an yes, the younger professor is right seabeyond Feb 2012 #27
not being concerned about fault ... iverglas Feb 2012 #34
To be fair, it is totally the guy's fault. nt Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #47
Wait, is this the same study Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #28
your last sentence made me laugh. losts of serious of late.... in these threads. lots of posters seabeyond Feb 2012 #29
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