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Ms. Toad

(36,763 posts)
27. I'll probably regret this, since I've been staying out of it.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 08:11 PM
Feb 2012

But if you are correct about the comment seabeyond is posting about, it seems to me that it ought to be acknowledged that there is a bit of hyperbole going on in both directions.

My summary - trying to be as neutral as I can be:

seabeyond made a post hypothesizing that the speaker might not be a woman and might not understand that women often experience things differently than men.

Neoma characterizes that suggestion as declaring the gender of the speaker and claiming the speaker's opinions are not valid because the speaker is not male.

seabeyond describes Neoma's characterization as stating sebeyond hates men.


seabeyond made a relatively innocuous statement, and a valid observation by any feminist standards I am aware of. The standard feminist mantra used to be "the personal is political" - that is what that mantra means - our politics as feminists are informed by our experiences, and we experience life differently than we would if we were men.

To Neoma - Perhaps seabeyond's observation could be misinterpreted- but it is hyperbole to read the statement as denying that men's opinions are valid (or claming any knowledge of the speaker's gender).

To seabeyond - You are correct - what you said does not match Neoma's interpretation of it. BUT, it is also hyperbole to read her incorrect interpretation as saying you hate men.

redqueen has wisely asked everyone to stand down. I am only adding this because it seems to me that the hyperbole in this exchange is being described as one sided, and my observation is that it is mutual - and describing it as one sided only serves to keep the pot simmering.

Now I'll crawl back in my bunker.









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Ducking in just to say that this right here Autumn Feb 2012 #1
We are all in this together. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #7
man, this place is hopping. roguevalley Feb 2012 #10
where did she say you hated men? maddezmom Feb 2012 #2
Yes, let's see some proof for that statement. yardwork Feb 2012 #4
In her most recent pinned thread, Neoma singled out a post seabeyond made BlueIris Feb 2012 #14
Thank you. nt redqueen Feb 2012 #15
Seabeyond's post is ambiguous, I think. "Maybe you are not a woman..." could be read yardwork Feb 2012 #25
I'll probably regret this, since I've been staying out of it. Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #27
thanks for posting maddezmom Feb 2012 #30
As did I obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #6
I have read many of your posts over the course of time Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #3
End of story WingDinger Feb 2012 #5
no one can speak for another. all of us have our own experiences. I come from a time when roguevalley Feb 2012 #11
Seabeyond has always been very kind and respectful toward me (a man), ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #8
Can you please provide a link to such an accusation? tammywammy Feb 2012 #9
I believe it is in Neoma's most recent pinned thread. BlueIris Feb 2012 #16
Thank you for pointing it out tammywammy Feb 2012 #26
I am sorry you feel offended The empressof all Feb 2012 #12
Don't you know that you can't discuss Gender Aerows Feb 2012 #13
So is this your way of saying that you can't allow this to die kdmorris Feb 2012 #17
She posted this, a defense of a perceived mischaracterization, before 9 am this morning. redqueen Feb 2012 #18
Oh... whoops kdmorris Feb 2012 #21
Sorry... redqueen Feb 2012 #23
No, you had a point kdmorris Feb 2012 #24
No offense Aerows Feb 2012 #22
I don't guess I know Neoma much OriginalGeek Feb 2012 #19
I see one host Aerows Feb 2012 #20
My 2 cents Rex Feb 2012 #28
Agreed Aerows Feb 2012 #29
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