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stevenleser

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15. Sure, it's freedom in the same way a police state tends to free one from crime.
Thu May 31, 2012, 04:18 PM
May 2012

That isn't to say that the western world doesn't impose some very ugly and unhealthy standards for women to meet. They have a point there, but using the hijab to deal with that is like needing a new doorway installed in a wall and using a bazooka to create one.

There is disagreement among a number of third wave feminists on this. I am not sure a hijab can be truly empowering. Naomi Wolf, who I otherwise tend to agree with, had this to say http://bigthink.com/ideas/14391

Wolf: I did write a piece in which I said that Westerners should be aware of being presumptuous in assuming they know that a Hijab means oppression to a women wearing it, and where did I get that from, I got it from feminists in the Muslim world saying again and again things like, you know, what we have much worse problems than this, you know, it’s much more urgent that they’re burning, you know, brides or that, you know, we’re facing [forced clitoridectomies] like you Westerners are so preoccupied with wearing a head scarf.
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I mean, there are other ways of looking at how other people see us, and even if we don’t agree with those ways, I do think that it’s a very important time to be engaged in an open dialog with this, you know, with the Muslim world and be open to hearing, you know, Muslim women’s own interpretations of what the Hijab means for them. Are there many other Muslim women who think it’s very oppressive? Absolutely and I remember saying in the piece that that is true, of course, yeah.


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I've seen this justification for the hijab and even for the burka any number of times. SheilaT May 2012 #1
+1 laconicsax May 2012 #5
How many of us women have deliberately dressed down hedgehog May 2012 #2
I thought of that example, too obamanut2012 May 2012 #7
I wear a lab coat to teach in. Starry Messenger May 2012 #10
Ditto SheilaT, only from the viewpoint of a western male.. Permanut May 2012 #3
I have no problem with anything freely chosen Warpy May 2012 #4
that experience is not unique to women btw nt msongs May 2012 #6
i agree. La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #8
Ever read Zeitoun by Dave Eggers? Neoma May 2012 #9
That's the impression I've gotten... Violet_Crumble Jun 2012 #23
they did a study in europe looking at this (belgium) La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2012 #24
Very well said. ty MerryBlooms May 2012 #11
Not my place to tell women how to dress, or what their clothes really mean. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #12
agreed. i am very against state enforced hijab La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #13
One of my local supermarket's checkers wears a hijab FloridaJudy May 2012 #14
Sure, it's freedom in the same way a police state tends to free one from crime. stevenleser May 2012 #15
I think it's a two way issue. Neoma May 2012 #16
This is one of the harder aspects of empowerment to wrap my head around stevenleser May 2012 #17
I'm used to seeing women wearing them. Neoma May 2012 #18
I see it all the time too.. stevenleser May 2012 #19
... Never heard of that event(s)? Neoma May 2012 #20
Completely horrific. It almost makes me cry everytime I think about it... stevenleser May 2012 #21
To me it's a bit like saying LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #22
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