digger: Or do you think that only *some* states thought of it as an individual right (e.g. Tennessee) while others thought of it as a collective right?
See if you can figure out what you said wrong, digger; I guess I confused you by mentioning so many states while you only mentioned one, so here's a hint:
Tennessee: 1796: "That the freemen of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence." 1834: "That the free white men of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defence."
digger: Matrix-worthy dodge there. Keanu's got nothing on you.
Dunno what you refer to, don't care for pseudo-realistic movies. You must really enjoy pseudo realism tho, so apparent in your posts.
digger: .. do you think that only *some* states thought of it as an individual right while others thought of it as a collective right? Seems a bit of a stretch, especially when you check the early jurisprudence in some of those states.
Quite right, slick (for once), except it isn't a 'stretch'. Some states simply wanted an individual rkba 'inclusion' so as not to make it solely for common defense. It was moreso what developed prior to & about ratification of the constitution (for after about 25 yrs incoming states could waver away from intent of 2ndA, as well as abandonment of militia).
There were some state's minority viewpoints which wanted an individual right inclusion, but these concerns were dismissed by Madison when he wrote the 2ndA, not putting any mention of individual rkba in 2ndA. Pennsylvania for instance, under Wm Penn, did not have a colonial militia or at least not under govt, & was the last colony/state to have a militia (just prior to rev-war), iow Pennsy disapproved of militias, thus it's desire to include 'for themselves & the state'.
You see how you shoot yourself in the foot, for by claiming 'themselves and the state' reasoned for an individual rkba, yet Madison did not include 'for themselves and the state' in 2ndA, just militia, thus your argument collapses.
digger: *gasp* By jove, I think he's almost got it.
I got it decades ago mister, you're the one who needs a primer.