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BrienDoesIt

(93 posts)
11. But isn't it giving states the right to deny you a marriage license?
Wed Nov 16, 2022, 08:33 PM
Nov 2022

35 states have in their constitution that marriage is between one man one woman. That's 35 states that, if obergefell falls, can now deny a marriage license to SS couples.

Forcing a state to recognize another states marriage licenses is good! Removing my ability to get married in any state, especially 35 of them, is not good.

If I have to go two states over to get married, I'm not going to see this as a win. I'm going to see it as a net loss. Because now I have to go elsewhere to get married. Sure the states have to recognize my marriage from California but what good does that do me if I can't afford to go to another state?

I'm not saying rhe law is bad. It is not. I'm only pointing out that it's less of a step forward than people think. It isn't protecting gay marriage, it's protecting certain rights. And that's absolutely wonderful. I also recognize it's probably the best were going to get.

But when I have a right today that gets removed tomorrow and now I have to go somewhere else just to be recognized and given the same recognition that any straight couple would have, I can't understand why people would think I should be jumping up and down for joy.

I have personal experience in this because I got married in Iowa before it was legal in all states. If my exhus and I weren't well off, w wouldn't have made the trek from AZ to IA just to get married. That's 3 states away. And a lot of LGBT people live below the poverty line. What good is federal recognition of a marriage when I can't get to a state that allows it in the first place?

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Looking forward to this discussion. ShazzieB Nov 2022 #1
Here's a decent article on how things could play out. Solly Mack Nov 2022 #2
So it's exactly as I thought - it still allows states to discriminate. BrienDoesIt Nov 2022 #5
It offers federal protections but if Obergefell falls, states that want to discriminate can, yes Solly Mack Nov 2022 #6
I think the fed protections are a good thing. Very much so. BrienDoesIt Nov 2022 #7
That is one of the many questions - how it plays out on the state level Solly Mack Nov 2022 #8
No one I'm discussing this with gets that. BrienDoesIt Nov 2022 #9
You need to look at two cases: 1) as it is now and 2) if the SC over turns same sex marriage rights karynnj Nov 2022 #3
I'm not asking for this law to not go through.... BrienDoesIt Nov 2022 #4
It isn't a step backwards. Just a tiny step forward as laws go. ColinC Nov 2022 #10
But isn't it giving states the right to deny you a marriage license? BrienDoesIt Nov 2022 #11
It is. Which is how it is already as far as the laws on the books. ColinC Nov 2022 #12
What good is the progress if, in order to be protected by it, I have to take a vacation to get it? BrienDoesIt Nov 2022 #14
That's kinda how progress works unfortunately ColinC Nov 2022 #15
You're not wrong. At all. BrienDoesIt Nov 2022 #17
It is not a step backwards because it ONLY has consequence if the SC acts karynnj Nov 2022 #13
I guess I don't see it this way. BrienDoesIt Nov 2022 #16
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