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In reply to the discussion: The new anti-gun-control meme: The US should be more like Switzerland. [View all]discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,650 posts)25. re: the unorganized militia
(b) The classes of the militia are
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard
A militia: a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.
The unorganized militia, must be part of the militia. We know because of the word militia in the term "unorganized militia".
To understand the reason for an unorganized militia, we must accept that the reason to have a militia at all is to (as the definition says) supplement a regular army in an emergency and to supplement them with persons from the ranks of the civil population.
As JFK said: "The Second Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the Second Amendment will always be important."
To be of value as a military unit or supplement thereto, a percentage of an unorganized militia MUST have some degree of skill-at-arms. Since by virtue of the fact that these folks MUST be civilians and not paid professionals, they must have a means to develop said skills. This would be difficult without any arms.
You claim that "well regulated" would exclude "unorganized" but you have yet to offer proof of that in light of the 18th century usage of the these terms at the time of their authoring.
You seem to be working hard at characterizing yourself by demonstration as irrelevant to the discussion.
The 2A mentions militia and does not distinguish between organized and unorganized. The claim is yours and seems particularly unreasonable in light of the "in an emergency" part of the definition of militia since an emergency would require prior training rather than training after the fact.
Did FEMA have folks "trained" to get water to the Superdome? How well did that workout in an emergency?
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The new anti-gun-control meme: The US should be more like Switzerland. [View all]
DetlefK
Sep 2015
OP
I admire your ability to converse with these folks. I guess someone has to do it.
randys1
Sep 2015
#26
"Gun Culture:" A patchwork of sociological & psychological terms meant to disparage...
Eleanors38
Sep 2015
#10
You fixate on the metal and plastic, his post focuses on the people intent on committing crime.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#17
"The biggest difference between the US and Switzerland? How they think about guns:"
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#20
Uhhhh...in the 18c. the government didn't control militias the way you suggest.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#23
Okay. Females who are members of the National Guard are the only ones eligible for the
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#36
"The sleeping masses" are not a federal statue James; the unorganized militia is.
Nuclear Unicorn
Sep 2015
#38