Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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54. Saul Cornell

Wed Nov 4, 2015, 12:56 AM

Nov 2015

yet he was a advocacy scholar paid for by the Joyce Foundation.

Saul Cornell, is the Paul and Diane Guenther Chair in American History at Fordham University, a former Professor of history at Ohio State University and the former Director of the Second Amendment Research Center at the John Glenn Institute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Cornell

This “scholarly” center was one of the initiatives funded by the Joyce Foundation to support writings that opposed the academic consensus that had previously arisen that the original meaning of the Second Amendment protected an individual right. Readers of this blog will remember the infamous Joyce Foundation funded symposium at Chicago Kent from which any dissenting scholars were excluded in the interest of “balancing” all the rest of Second Amendment scholarship. Apparently, its scholarly purpose having been exhausted by the decision in Heller, it has ceased its scholarly mission. It is no more.

http://volokh.com/2009/11/25/joyce-foundation-funded-osu-2nd-amendment-center-expires/

It seems that Cornell is one of those advocacy researchers, isn't he? Or at least was when he wrote that. While a scholar, but he didn't seriously study the issue since he didn't have academic freedom at the Joyce Foundation funded center. It isn't like his paycheck depended on getting the right result.

Lawrence Tribe and Alan Dershowitz didn't work for NRA "law office history". Dershowitz would love to repeal and overturn the 2A. As for Cornell's "law office history" ad hominem, it's just that.

He maybe and expert of the history, but not legal and Constitutional law. He is a historian. He is now saying that neither theory is true. His more recent work, mostly negates what he said above.

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