Gun Control & RKBA

beevul

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33. Yes, every year...

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:26 PM

Nov 2015

Yes, every year, 99.9x percent of those who own guns do not use them to commit gun violence.

Every year 99.9x percent of guns are not used to commit gun violence.

Theres nothing contradictory to that, except maybe that its contradictory to your dogmatic belief system about guns.

We are keeping our guns james.

You do realize that is for one year don't you? When you take your 99.9% over the course of a gun owner's lifetime of 75 years, the pure percentage of gun owner's per capita...

Ahh james likes to play the 'rating' game.

So beevul, is it the 20% to 40% (imo) of those gun owners who illicitly will use firearms over the course of their lifetimes that we should focus on with preventative laws? or should we leave them 'the hell alone'?

First, you need to prove this " 20% to 40%" before anyone gives it any weight. I'm not even going to bother debating numbers that are a certain level because king james declares them to be.

This statistic neglects key information such as the number of guns in the U.S. Thus, it can create a misleading impression, given that, in 2008, roughly 436,000 violent crimes were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun

Yes, and I don't your source making any valid attempt to determine how much overlap there is between 'violent crimes were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun' and how many commit a violent crime with a gun, yet do not commit an act of gun violence.

And obviously, it would not be in their or your best interests, to do so, and that is quite telling all by itself.

rights aren't determined by statistics, yet....

Nor will they ever be. We are keeping our guns james.

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Check the dates too DonP Nov 2015 #18

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Our rights aren't determined by statistics. beevul Nov 2015 #14

It's not about the statistics, it's about shaming DonP Nov 2015 #19

Good point. Our rights aren't determined by shaming. beevul Nov 2015 #20

It might bother me ... if they were in the least bit effective DonP Nov 2015 #21

Speaking of Ms Watts... beevul Nov 2015 #22

I guess the ones killed by suicide bombers at the stadium are out of luck as far as she's concerned DonP Nov 2015 #23

All that, plus... beevul Nov 2015 #24

AFAIC they can continue to shame all they want -- the more the better. pablo_marmol Nov 2015 #29

rights aren't determined by statistics, yet.... jimmy the one Nov 2015 #32

Yes, every year... beevul Nov 2015 #33

yes you are contradictory, & misleading jimmy the one Nov 2015 #34

Well, whaddya know...self-reporting of defensive gun use is unreliable... Marengo Nov 2015 #25

Yeah, its funny how selective some folks are about things like that. beevul Nov 2015 #26

Let's all be sure to ask them about the discrepancy when the opportunity presents... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #27

What makes that opinion piece worth reading? ManiacJoe Nov 2015 #31