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Gun Control & RKBA

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russ1943

(618 posts)
9. An attempt to enlighten a gun enthusiast is futility defined.
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 08:46 PM
Feb 2016

You post in response to my comment: In short, your actions betray your intentions.
I’m glad my actions betray my intentions, which clearly were an attempt to point out that at the very least you presented a distortion of known facts.

Your OP “From the CDC...National vital statistics reports. Deaths: Final; data for 2013. The top 15 causes of death, in order, are::” and your comment that Shooting doesn't seem to make the top 15.

I post that firearms deaths (shooting deaths) in that same report would be thirteenth on your unconnected list.

You note that suicides and homicides have different causes. Duh………..So what? Providing accurate information was/is my intention. That some are unable to understand that suicide, homicide, unintentional, undetermined and legal intervention in CDC reports are subsets of firearms deaths is a mistake on their part, not mine. An understanding of classification and categorizing as done in this case by the CDC seems to be the problem. There’s no nefarious purpose in “lumping” suicide and homicide in the same category. They are both firearms deaths. PERIOD.
From the CDC
In this case injury deaths have two dimensions; the mechanism of the injury and its manner or intent. Firearm is the mechanism under discussion. falls, motor vehicle traffic, or poisoning are some others (None on your list). The manner or intent involves whether the injury was purposefully inflicted (where it can be determined) and, when intentional, whether the injury was self-inflicted (suicide) or inflicted upon another person (assault).
IMO there’s philosophical perspective in that gun enthusiasts tend to think of homicide in their discussion of gun deaths, gun control advocates seem to be more concerned with all of the components of gun deaths which includes suicides.

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From the CDC... [View all] beevul Feb 2016 OP
Banning guns because of shootings... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #1
But anonymous internet posters sarisataka Feb 2016 #2
That' strange as they list: All firearm deaths Number of deaths: 33,636 jmg257 Feb 2016 #3
Keyword being 'cause'. N/T beevul Feb 2016 #4
Ah - gotcha. "Shooting" is only mentioned once in the whole report. jmg257 Feb 2016 #5
Also from the CDC russ1943 Feb 2016 #6
"Objectionable" beevul Feb 2016 #7
An attempt to enlighten a gun enthusiast is futility defined. russ1943 Feb 2016 #9
Would it somehow be better if gun suicides used other methods to do themselves in... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #10
"An attempt to enlighten a gun enthusiast is futility defined." pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #12
Reading is fundamental, russel. beevul Feb 2016 #14
warped jimmy the one Mar 2016 #17
"Gun control advocates only ever express concern about suicide when guns are involved" friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #18
So much bla bla bla, so little substance. beevul Mar 2016 #19
re your repugnant position jimmy the one Mar 2016 #20
Repugnant only to those that presume they have some binding interest in the lives of others. beevul Mar 2016 #21
Here's some "futility" from Webster's def. of "epidemic"... Eleanors38 Mar 2016 #15
+1. You have demonstrated that pious fraud is part and parcel of gun control advocacy friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #16
Strangely when Europe looks at US firearm deaths sarisataka Feb 2016 #8
Gun control advocates only ever express concern about suicide when guns are involved... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #11
That's NRA TALKING POINTS™ virginia mountainman Feb 2016 #13
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