Gun Control & RKBA

Lizzie Poppet

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18. I consider that common argument, while largely true when applicable, to be irrelevant.

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 01:56 PM

Mar 2016

I can't easily conceive of a genuinely plausible scenario in which any legitimate insurgency (and not just a few cranks fleeing "innawoods" with their rifles to "rebel against the tyrants&quot in which the US military would remain intact. If there really is a causus belli so great that large numbers of citizens are willing to take up arms against the government, then there is no way the military doesn't fragment. There are countless examples of modern civil wars in which there are military units on both sides, and the rebel military originated with defections from the government military.

In such a scenario, both sides' militaries would be massively compromised in their ability to field modern, complex weapons and communications systems, the core of a modern military's advantage over civilians (soldier-level arms aren't very disparate). Things like aircraft, heavy artillery, etc. are hard to keep up and running when units are decimated by defection/sabotage, logistics capabilities are under attack, etc. Armed civilians, already a problem in asymmetric warfare (hello Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc.), become more important under such scenarios.

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whats your opinion? [View all] beergood Mar 2016 OP

You die TeddyR Mar 2016 #1

my point was beergood Mar 2016 #49

That's mighty big talk. DashOneBravo Mar 2016 #52

"most disappear when it comes time to do the bleeding." beergood Mar 2016 #54

Oh TeddyR Mar 2016 #59

And where do you find this 'tyrannical government' COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #2

Here's a thought experiment. Straw Man Mar 2016 #4

So the answer is there is none. All the rest of the 2A COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #6

Myopic much? Straw Man Mar 2016 #7

I prefer to deal with real problems today COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #8

Chalk up another one ... Straw Man Mar 2016 #12

Keep standing tall and protecting us from the COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #13

When reasoned argument fails ... Straw Man Mar 2016 #14

It can't happen here beardown Mar 2016 #16

That's fascinating. I have family in Ukraine. COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #17

My co worker would disagree with you. beardown Mar 2016 #23

I hate to tell you this but if your co-worker and his family COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #28

Not just a few. beardown Mar 2016 #29

Trump is no Hitler. He is, however COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #30

We actually don't have any idea what Trump might turn out to be TeddyR Mar 2016 #60

Of course you are correct. It could *never* happen here. pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #32

In theory anything is 'possible' so no one can COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #37

When I saw Red Dawn, gejohnston Mar 2016 #38

It certainly did that. But I suppose it had to portray the COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #39

"But I really get a chuckle watching a bunch of overweight........" pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #42

No, but I do get a chuckle about people who spend COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #43

"No, but I do get a chuckle......." pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #44

Well, to be honest, no one asked you. COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #45

"Well, to be honest, no one asked you." pablo_marmol Mar 2016 #46

The scene outside of a recent Donald Trump rally sarisataka Mar 2016 #9

OK. And your point is what? That COLGATE4 Mar 2016 #11

Simply noting that sarisataka Mar 2016 #15

No one seeks to find tyrannical governments discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #48

That's a great post. DashOneBravo Mar 2016 #55

Thanks, please do and make some of the needed corrections to the grammar. discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #56

Check your inbox Sunday. DashOneBravo Mar 2016 #57

thanks n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #58

Somebody will say Travis_0004 Mar 2016 #3

There is not one freedom we should give up just to feel good...that includes the 2A. ileus Mar 2016 #5

It isn't the army that an armed citizenry would be fighting. N/T beevul Mar 2016 #10

I consider that common argument, while largely true when applicable, to be irrelevant. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #18

"hello Vietnam" beergood Mar 2016 #50

"Outgunned:" Vietnam, Algeria, El Salvador, Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam again, Cuba,... Eleanors38 Mar 2016 #19

my opinion is that: Big_Mike Mar 2016 #20

There is an old military adage GreydeeThos Mar 2016 #21

My opinion is that we should mail Dildos to these Ammosexual Losers. stone space Mar 2016 #22

It's sick and disturbing that you always associate sex with firearms Lurks Often Mar 2016 #24

Cost a small fortune in postage. stone space Mar 2016 #31

Typical non answer from you Lurks Often Mar 2016 #33

We won't let you destroy education in Iowa. (nt) stone space Mar 2016 #34

Here's hoping there will be campus carry in Iowa in 2016! Lurks Often Mar 2016 #35

More than likely there will be and there really is nothing you can do about it. eom. GGJohn Mar 2016 #36

Still waiting to hear how education was 'destroyed' in Utah, Washington, and Colorado friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #41

"We"? Was there a mouse in your pocket as you typed that? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #40

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Great idea! It would be impressive to finally see a gun control fan actually DO something DonP Mar 2016 #25

Back so soon? sarisataka Mar 2016 #26

"My opinion is that we should mail Dildos to these Ammosexual Losers." beergood Mar 2016 #51

Now I know where to shop. CompanyFirstSergeant Mar 2016 #27

IMO .. DashOneBravo Mar 2016 #47

thank you all beergood Mar 2016 #53

So we're back to talking about tyrannical governments, now that trump is out? Paladin Feb 2021 #62

Repeated use of vague innuendoes against a group you don't like speaks volumes, as well friendly_iconoclast Feb 2021 #63

This thread moved to the top because a troll kicked it. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2021 #64