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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
17. It's merely antigun Orwellian bullshit, on the order of "Freedom is Slavery" and "War is Peace"
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 09:42 PM
Feb 2021

This is a previous reply to your interlocutor:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=209943

You offer little more than glittering generalities and superlatives in defense of HR 127

Generalities such as:

It has to do with responsible gun ownership and the application of an independent standard to ensure the 2nd Amendment far into the future. That bill is an excellent start to this process...


https://propagandacritic.com/index.php/how-to-decode-propaganda/glittering-generalities/

These are all glittering generalities. These words sound great, but they mean different things to different people...

...Alert readers will recognize that glittering generalities are the mirror image of name-calling words. One technique encourages us to reject ideas or people without considering the evidence; the other hopes we will approve of ideas or people without considering the evidence...

...Propagandists don’t want us focusing on specific details. They hope to see us bathing in these words’ positive emotional glow.

It is also important to consider a close cousin of the glittering generality: the superlative. Superlatives are adjectives used to describe something of the very highest quality. Words like amazing, beautiful, best, fabulous, phenomenal, strong, and tremendous are all such words. But what do these words really mean in the context of the speaker’s claims? What, specifically, makes the speaker’s idea so tremendous?...


Then there's the following passage from Orwell's ""Politics and the English Language" :


"The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another. In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it: consequently the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using that word if it were tied down to any one meaning. Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way. That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different. Statements like "Marshal Pétain was a true patriot," "The Soviet press is the freest in the world," "The Catholic Church is opposed to persecution," are almost always made with intent to deceive. Other words used in variable meanings, in most cases more or less dishonestly, are: class, totalitarian, liberal, reactionary, equality..."

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And make it a felony to not pay your gun tax aeromanKC Feb 2021 #1
Say hello to out new QOP overlords and I don't own a firearm. LiberalArkie Feb 2021 #2
These are, I take it, your back of the napkin calculations? mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #3
I did the calculations rather quickly, but I think they're correct as per the text of the bill. Dial H For Hero Feb 2021 #6
If you only own one gun ... Straw Man Feb 2021 #30
True, but still much more accurate to say 'for 1 gun' :) nt mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #32
Link mikeysnot Feb 2021 #4
I think it might come down to registering all the person firearms. (also comes in handy if stolen) LiberalArkie Feb 2021 #5
Thanks for catching that, I edited it in. Dial H For Hero Feb 2021 #7
Yes glad you also think it is a good start! mikeysnot Feb 2021 #9
Oh, on the contrary. I do, however, appreciate that the matter can be discussed rationally Dial H For Hero Feb 2021 #13
This is some serious fantasy writing hack89 Feb 2021 #24
Sorry for the inconvenience, we are just looking for a solution to this shitshow Under The Radar Feb 2021 #8
Because gun control puts Republicans in power... krispos42 Feb 2021 #12
Your OC ideas are good ones. HR 127 not so much just a vote loser. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2021 #14
If this goes anywhere, it'll be a House and (maybe) Senate loser, too. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2021 #18
In my experience... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2021 #22
Why would registration stop what is happening in that picture? hack89 Feb 2021 #25
Registration is a vehicle to expose red flag applicants. Under The Radar Feb 2021 #26
The kid was breaking multiple laws hack89 Feb 2021 #28
I agree. Under The Radar Feb 2021 #29
You're missing the point. Straw Man Feb 2021 #31
The Bell Curve. aka-chmeee Feb 2021 #10
I have no problem with this at all PirateRo Feb 2021 #11
Could you please explain exactly how charging someone $50,000 or so over the course of Dial H For Hero Feb 2021 #15
It's merely antigun Orwellian bullshit, on the order of "Freedom is Slavery" and "War is Peace" friendly_iconoclast Feb 2021 #17
Note also the attempt at 'forced teaming' in the post you're replying to friendly_iconoclast Feb 2021 #19
This "protects" the 2ndA the way Republicans keep trying to "protect" women seeking abortions friendly_iconoclast Feb 2021 #16
Sounds like that "hunter" yagotme Feb 2021 #27
Sounds fair! Nt USALiberal Feb 2021 #20
Is "Screw anyone who wishes to own a firearm" fair? Dial H For Hero Feb 2021 #21
Translation discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2021 #23
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