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In reply to the discussion: The only "well regulated militia" [View all]krispos42
(49,445 posts)27. Huh, well since there have been no SCOTUS decisions on this issue, I guess you're... wait a minute!
What's that I hear about Heller?
Oh, yeah, 70 years later this was said:
No. 07290. Argued March 18, 2008Decided June 26, 2008
District of Columbia law bans handgun possession by making it a crime
to carry an unregistered firearm and prohibiting the registration of
handguns; provides separately that no person may carry an unlicensed
handgun, but authorizes the police chief to issue 1-year licenses;
and requires residents to keep lawfully owned firearms
unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock or similar device.
Respondent Heller, a D. C. special policeman, applied to register
a handgun he wished to keep at home, but the District refused.
He filed this suit seeking, on Second Amendment grounds, to enjoin
the city from enforcing the bar on handgun registration, the licensing
requirement insofar as it prohibits carrying an unlicensed firearm in
the home, and the trigger-lock requirement insofar as it prohibits the
use of functional firearms in the home. The District Court dismissed
the suit, but the D. C. Circuit reversed, holding that the Second
Amendment protects an individuals right to possess firearms and
that the citys total ban on handguns, as well as its requirement that
firearms in the home be kept nonfunctional even when necessary for
self-defense, violated that right.
Held:
1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a
firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for
traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
Pp. 253.
(a) The Amendments prefatory clause announces a purpose, but
does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative
clause. The operative clauses text and history demonstrate that it
connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 222.
(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Courts interpretation
of the operative clause. The militia comprised all males physically
capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists
feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in
order to disable this citizens militia, enabling a politicized standing
army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress
power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear
arms, so that the ideal of a citizens militia would be preserved.
Pp. 2228.
(c) The Courts interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-
bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately
followed the Second Amendment. Pp. 2830.
(d) The Second Amendments drafting history, while of dubious
interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals
that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms.
Pp. 3032.
(e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts
and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the
late 19th century also supports the Courts conclusion. Pp. 3247.
(f) None of the Courts precedents forecloses the Courts interpretation.
Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553, nor
Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, 264265, refutes the individual rights
interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174, does not
limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather
limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by
the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes. Pp. 4754.
2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.
It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any
manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed
weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment
or state analogues. The Courts opinion should not be taken to cast
doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by
felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms
in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or
laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of
arms. Millers holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those
in common use at the time finds support in the historical tradition
of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
Pp. 5456.
District of Columbia law bans handgun possession by making it a crime
to carry an unregistered firearm and prohibiting the registration of
handguns; provides separately that no person may carry an unlicensed
handgun, but authorizes the police chief to issue 1-year licenses;
and requires residents to keep lawfully owned firearms
unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock or similar device.
Respondent Heller, a D. C. special policeman, applied to register
a handgun he wished to keep at home, but the District refused.
He filed this suit seeking, on Second Amendment grounds, to enjoin
the city from enforcing the bar on handgun registration, the licensing
requirement insofar as it prohibits carrying an unlicensed firearm in
the home, and the trigger-lock requirement insofar as it prohibits the
use of functional firearms in the home. The District Court dismissed
the suit, but the D. C. Circuit reversed, holding that the Second
Amendment protects an individuals right to possess firearms and
that the citys total ban on handguns, as well as its requirement that
firearms in the home be kept nonfunctional even when necessary for
self-defense, violated that right.
Held:
1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a
firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for
traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
Pp. 253.
(a) The Amendments prefatory clause announces a purpose, but
does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative
clause. The operative clauses text and history demonstrate that it
connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 222.
(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Courts interpretation
of the operative clause. The militia comprised all males physically
capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists
feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in
order to disable this citizens militia, enabling a politicized standing
army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress
power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear
arms, so that the ideal of a citizens militia would be preserved.
Pp. 2228.
(c) The Courts interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-
bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately
followed the Second Amendment. Pp. 2830.
(d) The Second Amendments drafting history, while of dubious
interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals
that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms.
Pp. 3032.
(e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts
and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the
late 19th century also supports the Courts conclusion. Pp. 3247.
(f) None of the Courts precedents forecloses the Courts interpretation.
Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553, nor
Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, 264265, refutes the individual rights
interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174, does not
limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather
limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by
the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes. Pp. 4754.
2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.
It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any
manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed
weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment
or state analogues. The Courts opinion should not be taken to cast
doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by
felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms
in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or
laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of
arms. Millers holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those
in common use at the time finds support in the historical tradition
of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
Pp. 5456.
So, to summarize: the unorganized militia is still the militia, but it doesn't matter because militia service of any kind is not required for the right to keep and bear arms by individuals for their own personal and lawful use. And since this decision is 70 years newer, it wins.
And since the gun-controllers decided to wage a war against rifles with protruding pistol grips for the last 30-plus years they've managed to get the courts packed full of Republican-appointed federal judges that are unlikely to supersede the Heller decision.
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Disagree; we the people, all of us, need to be ready to defend our country.
LongtimeAZDem
Jan 2021
#1
"Well regulated" as intended, means that every citizen is trained, equipped, and prepared
LongtimeAZDem
Jan 2021
#3
Quibble all you want. If January 6 didn't wake you up, I won't argue with you.
LongtimeAZDem
Jan 2021
#5
Huh, well since there have been no SCOTUS decisions on this issue, I guess you're... wait a minute!
krispos42
Aug 2021
#27
The antigun (like all true believers, of any sort), have their 'articles of faith'- or...
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2021
#12
So now that trump's gone, that "well regulated militia" thing comes back into play.
Paladin
Jan 2021
#13
"You gun rights people sure were quiet..." About what? What do *you* think ought to have been said?
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2021
#14