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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,657 posts)
24. Point by point
Sat Aug 6, 2022, 11:46 AM
Aug 2022

Hi again

"Better control will enhance you ability to shoot the person you want to, thus enhancing its lethality." - This is a rifle. In a typical mass shooting someone is firing from a distance of a few feet such as across a room. Uvalde and Sandy Hook took place in average classrooms. Aiming isn't a factor. A lefty could fire right-handed and be just as deadly. OTOH that scum in Las Vegas sprayed the crowd not really aiming at all so control isn't really a factor. Charles Whitman [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting ] did not have any rifles with pistol grips, fired from considerable distance and injured or killed almost 50 people. Connecticut had an AWB in force when the murders at Sandy Hook took place. Many of the greatest snipers have used rifles without a pistol grip (such as Lyudmila Pavlichenko and Simo Häyhä) with no impact on their abilities. I have read that some folks find it slightly more time consuming to shoulder a rifle with a pistol grip and that it is less comfortable and more difficult to fire from the hip.

"Glad you agree. (concealability)" - I agree that a concealable gun allows you to get to (I hate phrasing it this way) a target dense area without being noticed. Concealability, itself doesn't make the AR more deadly. I don't really agree.

"If it allows you to use it in CQB in ways that you cant other rifles then it does." - As does a damp cloth.

"Still makes it easier (a suppressor) to evade detection...makes it more lethal." - A suppressor does help impede detection but having a threaded barrel doesn't give you a suppressor or any similar functionality. It might save the manufacturer a few cents in reducing the variety of inventory. Barrels are not serialized or regulated so buying a rifle without those threads and the replacing it with a threaded barrel gives you the same eye candy/gun porn appeal, I guess.

In the XM v mini discussion, I'd make the opinion based observation that these are rather different guns with substantially similar functionality. Considering liability and responsibility, I have an issue with Bushmaster's infamous marketing campaign recently highlighted in the widely covered lawsuit by some of the Sandy Hook families. IMO that type of marketing is NOT protected by the PLCAA and, IMO, the company does share responsibility. Such advertising, IMO, does "bait insecure young men into buying weapons" like the XM-15. [ https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/gun-maker-sandy-hook-settlement-exposed-predatory-ads-n1289394 ]

IMO, AR style rifles "look" like police and military rifles and NOT like grandpa's deer rifle (or Fudd gun). I wouldn't mind raising the age to purchase any semi-auto firearm, rifle, handgun, whatever to 25 or at least 21. Now there's a law that would have/may still actually impact at least some of these scumbag school shooters.

OT: Jeeps and 4x4s I love 'em! I currently have a Jeep and a 4x4 Trailblazer in the driveway. I live in an area that infrequently gets substantial snow and I've pulled a coworker out the mud. So you like Jeeps???

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I would really like to understand [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 OP
Seriously? thucythucy Aug 2022 #1
First off, thank you for the reply and having a serious discussion. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #5
Thank you for explaining thucythucy Aug 2022 #6
Thanks again so much discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #8
A couple of thoughts.. quickesst Aug 2022 #2
re: "...at least some of them are able to be altered easily into a fully automatic machine gun." discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #10
I admit.. quickesst Aug 2022 #19
re: "...older, used AR-15 type weapons..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #21
Yeah.. quickesst Aug 2022 #23
You forgot your sarcasm thingie Ferrets are Cool Aug 2022 #3
I'm sure you can find one if you need one. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #11
I'm not the one that needs it Ferrets are Cool Aug 2022 #13
And I'm not one of those who believes in... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #14
It's been damn near 30 years since the first AWB passed DetroitLegalBeagle Aug 2022 #4
Well, really, almost any semi-auto with a detachable magazine The Mouth Aug 2022 #12
re: "Is it too much to ask..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #15
Careful there, DIS... if you call something that is stupid "stupid"... krispos42 Aug 2022 #7
Thanks but I don't use the "s" word. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #16
I read the the cosmetics are not relevant to lethality, Ban the cosmetics (false advertising) sanatanadharma Aug 2022 #9
Certain advertising restrictions might be not only acceptable but useful. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #17
Seems simple enough. Eko Aug 2022 #18
Individually... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #20
Ok, Eko Aug 2022 #22
Point by point discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2022 #24
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