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Gun Control & RKBA

In reply to the discussion: Guns: rules and rights [View all]

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
24. Well, there's this . . .
Mon Mar 13, 2023, 01:30 PM
Mar 2023

From the footnotes of the chart you cite:

! Interpret with caution. Estimate based on 10 or fewer sample cases, or coefficient of variation is greater than 50%.


So why is there a 50% variance in these numbers and why do I trust GVA above Crime Victims survey? Both have the same answer: the source of the information. The Crime Victims survey relys on the statement of the victim without any other verification. There is no control for false positive reporting--the same issue Kleck had in his survey. The GVA on the other hand is based on verifiable incidents reported (and verified) in news sources. The GVA is undoubtedly low. possibly by a number comparable to the Crime Victim Survey. However it is based on actual verifiable sources.

Crime victims who are gun owners and gun owners in general have a vested interest in inflating the DGU numbers. That makes them a very unreliable source for information that isn't supported by other verifiable sources. Kleck surveyed a phone list and asked, "Have you used a gun is self defense in the last year?" Besides the bias cited above there's the issue of telescoping--assuming the incident did happen was it 18 months ago instead of 12? You know what they say about time flying.

The truth of the matter is we don't know how many DGUs there are and we won't until the gun lobby is defeated and we get honest, scientific and verifiable research.

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Guns: rules and rights [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2023 OP
These would be helpful. AndyS Mar 2023 #1
I agree about the NICS. yagotme Mar 2023 #5
This is a significant problem with NICS Hangingon Apr 2023 #28
Name shouldn't be a problem, as ID is usually used. yagotme Apr 2023 #29
They do have fake ids. Hangingon Apr 2023 #30
I agree that NICS and fake ID"s are a problem. yagotme Apr 2023 #31
Oregon Timewas Mar 2023 #2
Typical government thought process. yagotme Mar 2023 #4
end result for now Timewas Mar 2023 #6
Same thing going on in IL right now. yagotme Mar 2023 #7
I disagree. Typical mucking up the works by the gun lobby. AndyS Mar 2023 #8
You're welcome. yagotme Mar 2023 #10
It's only a win for people who store all their brains in their trigger finger. A win would be AndyS Mar 2023 #11
How often does the government get it right? AndyS Mar 2023 #12
Perhaps you should research some of the things you listed, yagotme Mar 2023 #14
Hmmm, who said, AndyS Mar 2023 #17
The right has occasionally taken control of the gov't, yagotme Mar 2023 #19
Then distrust Republicans (and the gun Lobby) but AndyS Mar 2023 #23
I'm for it (BGC) DashOneBravo Apr 2023 #27
Here in IL, yagotme Mar 2023 #3
Yeah right. AndyS Mar 2023 #9
Advocating gun control yagotme Mar 2023 #13
OMFG you keep citing Kleck who has been discredited for a decade or more AndyS Mar 2023 #15
Don't tell me: yagotme Mar 2023 #20
Defensive gun use per year. AndyS Mar 2023 #16
Here's some more: yagotme Mar 2023 #21
Well, there's this . . . AndyS Mar 2023 #24
Hi, I agree...somewhat. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2023 #26
I know there are some states with UBCs. discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2023 #18
TY. yagotme Mar 2023 #22
The phrasing is always interesting. ManiacJoe Apr 2023 #25
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