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MrModerate

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12. But all those things *do* take place in fictional universes . . .
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 03:55 AM
Feb 2012

With precisely the plot drivers you mention.

That's why Heinlein doesn't drive me insane, although if he had gone into politics in real life (which he apparently contemplated doing) he might have mutated into an atheist version of Nehemiah Scudder himself.

And Niven doesn't drive me batty for the same reason: context.

And you don't have to bend reality too much for such libertarian or authoritarian or "Darwinian" notions to work, at least as fiction. For that matter, look at just about any action-adventure movie (of which there are thousands), and deconstruct its political or moral leanings, and you'll be depressed all over again. Sadly, alternate reality has a well known illiberal bias, and also features explosions and car chases.

On the other hand, I can't stomach Pournelle or Card (partly because they are distinctly lesser writers and weaker storytellers), precisely because the universes they create don't sustain their rather creepy notions how people ("people" in the broadest possible sense) can, should, and must manage to live with each other.

Crichton is pure story and whatever philosophical elements present just as shallow as everything else he churned out, so that even Disclosure, his most odious book, ends up being odious-lite.

For myself, I'll forgive a good storyteller a lot; an inferior storyteller, not much at all.

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I have a hard time with RW SF [View all] cthulu2016 Jan 2012 OP
agreed. mzteris Jan 2012 #1
Indeed quakerboy Jan 2012 #3
well said dem644555il Mar 2012 #14
What, nothing to say about L. Neil Smith ? :^D eppur_se_muova Jan 2012 #2
oooooooo, betcha you don't spend much time in the "Honorverse"! n/t TygrBright Jan 2012 #4
How true, how true. SheilaT Feb 2012 #5
His view of women is the cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #6
I didn't know about the ad thing, SheilaT Feb 2012 #7
I would stop short of chickenhawk cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #8
June 1968 Galaxy Magazine salvorhardin Feb 2012 #11
Ah, yes. ChazInAz Oct 2012 #19
I respectfully disagree about "The Mote In God's Eye" friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #9
In saying "finest classic SF novel" cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #10
Hated that book. ChazInAz Oct 2012 #20
But all those things *do* take place in fictional universes . . . MrModerate Feb 2012 #12
You forgot Poul Anderson. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #13
Anyone ever read J. Neil Schulman's Alongside Night? Moe Shinola Jul 2012 #15
A few comments: bemildred Jul 2012 #16
And yet Heinlein's very first story ever, Lifeline, takes a huge swing at the insurance industry.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #17
Fred Saberhagen had a sci-fi novel mocking the Sexual Revolution Odin2005 Sep 2012 #18
I enjoyed "The War Against the Rull" back in the day Fumesucker Oct 2012 #21
i'm with you 100% mjrr_595 Oct 2012 #22
I just got back from MileHi Con in Denver. SheilaT Oct 2012 #23
I've been reading Sci-Fi books for the last 50 years jambo101 Apr 2013 #24
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