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Behind the Aegis

(55,525 posts)
40. Honestly, does it matter?
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 12:32 AM
Jul 2

You posted in this in the Jewish Group. Many, if not most, of the responses aren't even from Jews. Jewish pain, suffering, and fears are fodder for both sides of the political spectrum. I will credit the ones who aren't Jewish and made note of it. Kudos.

Is the term offensive? Yes. It makes light of two situations, the actual horrors of Auschwitz and the horrors of the current encampment. Is it a "concentration camp"? In my view, yes, it is. When one brings in Nazi references, especially those of DEATH CAMPS, like Auschwitz, then one starts to traffic in something else altogether. In a country, a world, where anti-Semitism is rising, continues to rise, and has a cadre, a loud one, defending, excusing, and mocking anti-Semitism, this is just salt on the wound.

The US has a history of concentration camps, including what were called "Indian reservations", some are marginally better, most are not, to full-fledged concentration camps, the most famous were the ones that held Japanese Americans during WWII, as well as other that held German- and Italian Americans during the same time period.

It is profoundly disappointing to have a question like this posed in a group whose history is related to the question, only to be talked over or around, but it is par for the course now.

All death camps were concentration camps, but not all concentration camps were death camps, so why use "Auschwitz" and not the name of a labor camp? Why? Because most wouldn't recognize the name or the significance, so use the one that many will know, despite the GLARING differences. Again, Jewish history and pain are inconsequential to the majority, if not an outright punchline.

What is happening in this country is horrific. Is it a prelude to worse things? Likely. But in calling out the outrage, one needn't dehumanize the Jew by casually using terms which are significant to our community.

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I want to see JustAnotherGen Jul 1 #1
It depends on how it is used. Norrrm Jul 1 #2
Surprising, thanks. I've seen it here on du and def critical. scipan Jul 1 #4
Auschwitz didn't start with gas chambers WhiteTara Jul 2 #61
That's offensive to me as a human being. Calling it that is to adopt the enough Jul 1 #3
Ok. I don't think it's a joke per se, just kind of clever. scipan Jul 1 #7
Definitely clever, the phrase does exactly what they're expecting it will, enough Jul 1 #10
It is not a joke kacekwl Jul 1 #20
It's not a joke, they are comparing it to the worst thing they can think of questionseverything Jul 2 #53
It's a stark reminder of how places like Auschwitz start. CrispyQ Jul 2 #57
I find the Grifter in Chief (G-i-C) dlilafae Jul 1 #5
Mostly. marybourg Jul 1 #6
Yes. Duncanpup Jul 1 #8
I'll have to wait to see what the death toll is. HelpImSurrounded Jul 1 #9
Trump is already joking about feeding migrants to alligators LetMyPeopleVote Jul 1 #23
Who has been coining this term? Fox or that twitte? question everything Jul 2 #42
No idea and kind of irrelevant. HelpImSurrounded Jul 2 #48
I had relative who survived BABICE Duncanpup Jul 1 #11
Thank you. I'm sorry for the trauma your relative experienced, and you. Nt scipan Jul 1 #13
We only discovered this relative through family history. Duncanpup Jul 2 #45
It encapsulates the reality quickly The Blue Flower Jul 1 #12
Thank you. I'm saddened by your loss. scipan Jul 1 #14
Agree. Well said.. mountain grammy Jul 1 #31
Yes. Beastly Boy Jul 1 #15
I'm beyond furious snowybirdie Jul 1 #16
The new facility is not an extermination camp but this facility clearly meets the definition of a concentration camp LetMyPeopleVote Jul 1 #17
Thank you. There is danger in not calling this out. scipan Jul 1 #21
That is what scares me LetMyPeopleVote Jul 1 #24
Yes. I think I get it. Make noise now. Later may be too late. Nt scipan Jul 1 #25
Indeed. My heart can't help but cling to a glimmer of hope, but unblock Jul 1 #27
So far I don't believe the last election was stolen. scipan Jul 1 #32
All you have is " belief " because no human beings supervised the counting of votes questionseverything Jul 2 #52
Yes. AuntieKatie Jul 1 #18
I am not Jewish but the message sent by using that kacekwl Jul 1 #19
I agree with you... to mean, this doesn't demean anything slightlv Jul 1 #33
Belittling the Holocaust is certainly a slight on the Holocaust, intentional or not. Beastly Boy Jul 2 #54
Two books sum up the use of the name... Behind the Aegis Jul 2 #55
Apparently, you have forgotten: "First they came for the Communists . . . " CivicGrief Jul 2 #58
I didn't forget. Nor did I deflect. Beastly Boy Jul 2 #59
Thank you everyone for your replies. Answers are mixed scipan Jul 1 #22
I believe you didn't mean to offend, but Auschwitz is not subject to statistical analysis. Beastly Boy Jul 2 #56
Six months enid602 Jul 1 #26
Me too. scipan Jul 1 #28
Photos enid602 Jul 1 #29
Disbelief *that* could happen here. scipan Jul 2 #38
As a child of a holocaust survivor I can say it is absolutely offensive. jg10003 Jul 1 #30
Thank you for responding. I'm always saddened by this. scipan Jul 1 #35
Everglades Death Camp ZDU Jul 1 #34
I prefer concentration camp ATM. Very bad connotation. scipan Jul 2 #36
Yes, and we all know ZDU Jul 2 #37
They're not giving them enough food and water at the detention centers. scipan Jul 2 #39
Honestly, does it matter? Behind the Aegis Jul 2 #40
I'm very sorry but I don't get it. scipan Jul 2 #41
I am offended you came to the Jewish Group to ask OUR opinion, yet most are NOT Jewish. Behind the Aegis Jul 2 #43
Okay. I did want Jewish/untermensch points of view but wasn't offended. scipan Jul 2 #44
What the FUCK?! Behind the Aegis Jul 2 #46
See duncanpup's post. Should have put it in quotes. Nt scipan Jul 2 #47
'People are going to die': Rain floods 'hurricane proof' Alligator Alcatraz LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2 #49
Yes nycbos Jul 2 #50
Yes SuzyandPuffpuff Jul 2 #51
Extremely offensive at this time RockCreek Jul 2 #60
no comparison tmars505 Jul 2 #62
The Trump Regime is following the Nazi Playbook to a tee. LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2 #63
I hesitate to venture here but I do have some connection to this question. AloeVera Jul 2 #64
Asked and answered Behind the Aegis Jul 3 #65
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