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F4lconF16

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5. I'm not a fan of this idea.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:15 PM
Apr 2015

I am happy without God, period. I feel like this is another faitheist that extols the virtues of religion and the harm and dreariness of a life without it.

Some bits from the article:

Does God have to be part of our understanding of the universe? No. But if scientists tell the public that they have to choose between God and science, most people will choose God, which leads to denialism, hostility to science and the profoundly dangerous mental incoherence in modern society that fosters depression and conflict.

You hear that? You atheists are the problem--you're the ones causing all the conflict and depression and hostility to science. If you'd just play along and believe in a new "God" that really isn't a god, then we wouldn't have these issues. C'mon, atheists, just stop being atheists already. You know that's what we're getting at.

Meanwhile, many of those who choose science find themselves without any way of thinking that can give them access to their own spiritual potential.

Dude, I'll bet you the 6 grams of shrooms I did not that long ago was one hell of a lot more spiritual than most any religious bullshit ever will be. Just sayin'.

What we need is a coherent big picture that is completely consistent with — and even inspired by — science, yet provides an empowering way of rethinking God that provides the human and social benefits without the fantasy. How can we get this?

Guys, let's get rid of God. Except not really. That'll solve our problems.

You know, we could just drop God entirely, as so many of us have already done to great success. There's this thing called education. With it, we minimize denialism, hostility to science, etc. Education is a proven vaccine against bullshit, and it will continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

We can have a real God if we let go of what makes it unreal. I am only interested in God if it's real. If it isn't real, there's nothing to talk about. But I don't mean real like a table, or a feeling, or a test score, or a star. Those are real in normal earthbound experience. I mean real in the full scientific picture of our double dark universe, our planet, our biology and our moment in history.

See atheists? God is real. As long as you make him real, and take away all the parts without evidence.

You mean people already did that? And there just wasn't any evidence for any god at all?

Well shit.

The point I want to make here is that this list pretty much agrees with most atheists' reasons for dismissing the existence of God. But this is no place to stop. We've merely stated what God can't be. We haven't considered yet what God could be.

Atheists can't disprove God, lalalalala *sticks fingers in ears*

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This article is some of the sneakiest faithiest bullshit I have seen in a while. What a load of crap. I don't need god, I don't want god, and I especially don't want some god that just encourages their religious crap, "evidence" or not (which, by the way, the author means the lack of evidence disproving a god, not, you know, actual evidence).

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One who actually turned up once in a while Warpy Apr 2015 #1
Collective Unconscious Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #2
12 step programs Lordquinton Apr 2015 #3
The 12 step program I've been to used a higher power applegrove Apr 2015 #13
I'm glad it worked for you Lordquinton Apr 2015 #15
"they have no power over their drug of choice" Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #16
Nope. When I handed my power over to science, I was no longer applegrove Apr 2015 #17
Addiction is a symptom, not the problem Lordquinton Apr 2015 #30
The same program is not going to work for everyone. AA worked wonders for me. And humility is the applegrove Apr 2015 #31
It has helped some Lordquinton Apr 2015 #33
In AA I learned that I may not know what my higher power is, I just know I'm not it. Novara Apr 2015 #39
She ends up proposing a hive mind as an emergent property of life. AlbertCat Apr 2015 #34
In fairness she would likely claim that our access to the "hive mind" Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #38
I think the only thing that can be said... trotsky Apr 2015 #4
I'm not a fan of this idea. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Apr 2015 #6
I posted without comment, but... Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #7
You shouldn't worry about commenting in an op like that. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #26
Great response. trotsky Apr 2015 #8
I thought the same thing. Curmudgeoness Apr 2015 #14
Wow, great response! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #23
What a load of crap. AlbertCat Apr 2015 #35
One that was real? truebrit71 Apr 2015 #9
Nature can be called God. Gore1FL Apr 2015 #10
I have a big problem with the word "worship" Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #11
It seems silly to worship nature. AlbertCat Apr 2015 #36
Not useless. Gore1FL Apr 2015 #40
I wish the author posted at DU EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2015 #12
LoL! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #24
Defining a palatable god is a job for liberal christianity. LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #18
Eric Clapton. edhopper Apr 2015 #19
What kind of meat would vegans like to eat? frogmarch Apr 2015 #20
LOL! Great analogy IMHO. n/t Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #21
What kind of wood could a woodchuck chuck Cartoonist Apr 2015 #22
No, kidding. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #25
what about meat like protein grown in a vat? AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #32
Well, by definion, none. mr blur Apr 2015 #27
... progressoid Apr 2015 #28
The real question Lordquinton Apr 2015 #29
is who's sock is god? AlbertCat Apr 2015 #37
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