Atheists & Agnostics

defacto7

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24. As long as we're using the word belief

Reply to beam me up scottie (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 01:29 AM

Mar 2017

in the definition, I can't go there in this context. I neither belive nor have faith in anything. I trust much. My trust changes with the facts. Faith by definition cannot coexist with facts or it's not faith. Belief is such a loosely defined word it's fairly meaningless and tends toward faith simply because of its empty value and can be easily manipulated in the communication.

Ignostic atheist is a reasonable term to me. Give me a logical fact based definition of "god" and I'll think about it. If not, there's no need to continue a discussion on undefined nonsense. IOW, What do you mean by "god"? I have no idea what it means.

But just for definition sake, I'm definitely not a member of the Atheist Church so I can't be an Atheist. I am atheist as long as there's no data or definition suitable for the subject matter just like I'm abatmanist.

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Poll: How do you as an Atheist Define Atheism? [View all] beam me up scottie Mar 2017 OP

Everyone is born an atheist Jonny Appleseed Mar 2017 #1

This is true. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #2

Exactly. JNelson6563 Mar 2017 #29

Yes, we are! mountain grammy Mar 2017 #36

A belief that there are no gods infidelsavant Mar 2017 #3

A gnostic atheist, thanks for voting! beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #6

lack of belief Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #4

Yes that's the same position I take. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #7

I guess I'm more of an Apathist. RE: god; Don't know, don't care. Binkie The Clown Mar 2017 #5

Yes on the second part, definitely! beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #8

I guess that I believe that the religions I know something about are B.S. Binkie The Clown Mar 2017 #11

That sounds like agnostic atheism leaning towards gnostic atheism. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #12

My fondest fantasy requires the existance of a god... Binkie The Clown Mar 2017 #14

That would make me believe in divine justice. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #16

You had me at don't know don't care.. mountain grammy Mar 2017 #37

I find many Theists either have some ludicrous definition of "the Deity" (i.e. fundamentalists) Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #9

Asking for a definition of God can be good sport. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #10

I wavered on this True Dough Mar 2017 #13

It would be better if we could rate ourselves on a spectrum but all we have are polls. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #15

I'm currently sitting on a chair. Solly Mack Mar 2017 #17

Perfect! I like that analogy. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #19

Good to have you back bmus. aidbo Mar 2017 #18

Good to be back, aidbo. :) beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #20

I wanted to vote differently than I did, Curmudgeoness Mar 2017 #21

I should post more of them. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #22

Watch" Ricky Gervais and Stephen Colbert debate religion LakeArenal Mar 2017 #23

I loved that debate. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #26

As long as we're using the word belief defacto7 Mar 2017 #24

Yeah the 'atheism is a religion' talking point is used by fundamentalists of all stripes. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #27

nt defacto7 Mar 2017 #30

I had to choose "other" progressoid Mar 2017 #25

Hey you!!! beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #28

Can't really wrap my head around the concept of gnostic atheism. Exultant Democracy Mar 2017 #31

Gnostic relates to knowledge. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #32

I agree. God, Santa Clause, Superman, James Bond, and Bambi Exultant Democracy Mar 2017 #33

I really don't have a problem with gnostic atheism. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #34

The default position: There are no gods. Iggo Mar 2017 #35

That's what I like to call it as well. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #39

This is so hard, can't make up my mind. mountain grammy Mar 2017 #38

Pie is never the wrong answer - that's why I always include it in my polls. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #40

I don't like using the word belief edhopper Mar 2017 #41

That's a good way to put it. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #42