2016 Postmortem

highprincipleswork

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154. Where's the evidence?

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 03:49 AM

Mar 2016

She's not a Third Way/DLC/Corporatist as I previously claimed, and has actually stood up to the Blue Dogs within the party. She's a solid liberal, just a pragmatic progressive.

Whatever led you to that conclusion?

Why do think so many disagree, and with some solid proof?

Hate to say it, but sounds like a refrain I've heard before. If that's your honest conclusion, then God bless, you're entitled to it. Just curious what exactly she did it said to elicit your apparent change of heart. (Not that you're obligated to reveal anything about that at all.)

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DU used to know me as being super anti-Hillary and pro-Bernie. After a few months, #ImWithHer [View all] gobears10 Mar 2016 OP

Sorry To Learn Of Your Change Of Heart - That Is A Tragedy To This Citizen cantbeserious Mar 2016 #1

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #64

I think that hide speaks loads for the average jury on DU. Zira Mar 2016 #108

He merely pointed out the OP is fairly new w/few comments. Big deal. senz Mar 2016 #118

Sounds like a tilted jury system. Zira Mar 2016 #119

They have rules about who serves on juries. senz Mar 2016 #139

Thank you! I didn't know any of this. Zira Mar 2016 #140

They should have the rules posted in an obvious place for everyone. senz Mar 2016 #141

Agreed, it would be better to have them on the left. I should have gone looking for the rules too. Zira Mar 2016 #142

That explains why I never get hides. Everyone has me on Ignore! randome Mar 2016 #207

I don't think the 2nd and 3rd rules still apply? baran Mar 2016 #229

I almost never vote to hide, but I may have voted to hide that post. ZombieHorde Mar 2016 #252

That's got to be one of the most innocuous hidden posts I've ever seen Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #144

It is ridiculous FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #214

"...she'll actually have a chance at carrying out her agenda." Wilms Mar 2016 #2

+1 daleanime Mar 2016 #5

+1 dchill Mar 2016 #7

her agenda is what terrifies me questionseverything Mar 2016 #36

Ain't that the truth TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #62

Yup. Shadowflash Mar 2016 #37

Yep. We don't want her rightwing agenda. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #89

if you think HRC is right wing MFM008 Mar 2016 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2016 #163

This message was self-deleted by its author highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #177

If Hillary is the nominee I'll vote for her if it looks like a close contest in my state. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #227

As I live in OH greiner3 Mar 2016 #244

+10000 Zira Mar 2016 #110

+1000 That's what I fear. nt tblue Mar 2016 #147

TRUMP + Clinton = (same coin)/2 seekthetruth Mar 2016 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author seekthetruth Mar 2016 #155

Her agenda Aerows Mar 2016 #167

+ another Scuba Mar 2016 #187

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #203

Too bad and of that knowledge and skill..... daleanime Mar 2016 #3

All righty, then! djean111 Mar 2016 #4

Bye from where? This is GDP - not BS' GDP jsmirman Mar 2016 #70

'bye from my attention. djean111 Mar 2016 #175

Good for You!!!!! asuhornets Mar 2016 #6

thanks!! :) gobears10 Mar 2016 #11

LOL asuhornets Mar 2016 #16

yeah... gobears10 Mar 2016 #18

I agree... asuhornets Mar 2016 #25

yeah me to MFM008 Mar 2016 #153

You are no longer blocked CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #232

They are like elephants Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #120

Appeal to one of the hosts. Aerows Mar 2016 #169

You're unblocked treestar Mar 2016 #193

To each his (or her) own I guess Armstead Mar 2016 #8

I couldn't disagree with any more. smiley Mar 2016 #9

Seriously? kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #48

yes. smiley Mar 2016 #52

Me too! Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #124

Seriously Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #54

Remember now... a bird on a podium means things has changed for Sander to some of thems uponit7771 Mar 2016 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author jsmirman Mar 2016 #72

very serious dana_b Mar 2016 #135

Thanks for your intelligent, eloquent and heartfelt post EffieBlack Mar 2016 #10

You are a wise poster. Welcome aboard the H-Train..... Trust Buster Mar 2016 #12

well good for you CountAllVotes Mar 2016 #13

Happens Every Election noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #14

+1 liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #17

Or maybe they have an open mind and don't behave like they're in a cult where a change EffieBlack Mar 2016 #20

You Can Believe Whatever You Want noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #26

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #206

No doubt. panader0 Mar 2016 #32

They can't. This sounds fishy to me. I'll leave it at that. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #95

Good morning Elmer! Loki Mar 2016 #192

Amen. I have changed my political views also. Being a social worker, it has driven me further to the kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #220

Hi Loki! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #240

if steve leser can come around anyone can reddread Mar 2016 #35

Obama isn't running this time JI7 Mar 2016 #38

i miss the point? reddread Mar 2016 #39

Hillary will never change her spots. Never. n/t djean111 Mar 2016 #176

well you're opinion is wrong. i donated DesertFlower Mar 2016 #50

frightening and horrific things Biaviians Mar 2016 #81

I have seen your posts. Not very Bernie friendly posts. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #86

let's see those posts. i was banned from bernie group about a week ago -- DesertFlower Mar 2016 #92

I think it is about time to put you on ignore. Good bye. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #93

you can't handle the truth. DesertFlower Mar 2016 #96

The truth is, someone who donated 3 times to Bernie's campaign Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #181

so now you're psychic. i did donate 3 DesertFlower Mar 2016 #238

I'm not pyschic, Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #254

i don't appreciate being called a liar. if you were a DesertFlower Mar 2016 #261

still waiting for you to show my anti bernie posts. DesertFlower Mar 2016 #112

+1 Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #125

you're so full of it. i don't post much and DesertFlower Mar 2016 #241

My husband shares these views with you.. Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #158

well if your husband shares my views ask him. DesertFlower Mar 2016 #164

We can't talk about politics ---lol Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #248

Yup. The differences are fundamental. You simply cannot believe in Bernie and then believe in HRC. cui bono Mar 2016 #55

Every time he makes gains a few of these pop up. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #79

Especially when having prior knowledge of certain posters here Live Bait Mar 2016 #209

Yep. seekthetruth Mar 2016 #157

+1 You can't *unsee* something so fundamental as if you were Cypher in The Matrix. JudyM Mar 2016 #200

Nailed it! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #246

Her climate change proposals doom our planet riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #15

You know what? Let's do this. jsmirman Mar 2016 #83

You first... Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #109

Wow. That is some serious upside down thinking jsmirman Mar 2016 #111

I live in this universe as you can see... Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #127

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #210

+1000. He couldn't even get Single Payer passed R B Garr Mar 2016 #113

Yes, I am genuinely curious to see the logic chain jsmirman Mar 2016 #121

Agreed, and it looks like the logic is to spam anti-Hillary comments and gloss over R B Garr Mar 2016 #197

Bill and Hillary could not get health care reform passed by a DEMOCRATIC-LED Congress. djean111 Mar 2016 #179

"he is not in charge" What an excuse. R B Garr Mar 2016 #189

What you are leaving out of this conversation is that Hillary can certainly, likely, djean111 Mar 2016 #190

Anti-Hillary spam is not the answer to everything. This was about Bernie, R B Garr Mar 2016 #191

Any "anti-Bernie" mention is, by default, "so vote for Hillary" spam. djean111 Mar 2016 #194

This is just more anti-Hillary spam. And my comment was about his inability to get his R B Garr Mar 2016 #195

So, let's say, I sign on (bwhahahaha!) to your anti-Bernie spam. djean111 Mar 2016 #198

Bernie couldn't even get Single Payer passed in his teeny, tiny state of Vermont. R B Garr Mar 2016 #201

And, again, I am terrified that Hillary could get HER national agenda enacted, even a little djean111 Mar 2016 #202

Anti-Hillary spam is not the answer to everything. This is really off the deep end now, R B Garr Mar 2016 #208

lol JI7 Mar 2016 #19

I'm really sorry that you're being subjected to snarks and insults EffieBlack Mar 2016 #21

Stoics like myself are attracted to politicians with consistent records. edgineered Mar 2016 #22

Yep 40+ years as a Senator is impressive CountAllVotes Mar 2016 #24

Uhm, Sanders has not served as a Senator for 40+ years. okasha Mar 2016 #66

Serving the public CountAllVotes Mar 2016 #199

Age 40 was when he got his first okasha Mar 2016 #231

Far more impressive than the competition CountAllVotes Mar 2016 #234

LOL. Actually, I do like someone who's worked for the people her entire life, okasha Mar 2016 #237

i too was a bernie supporter but about 7 weeks ago -- DesertFlower Mar 2016 #23

gosh. I'm excited for you, changing to hillary like that. It must have been exciting. delrem Mar 2016 #170

it was very difficult. i've always liked bernie and when DesertFlower Mar 2016 #239

I can't even begin to understand. delrem Mar 2016 #263

Hillary has no liberal wishlist so she doesnt need a plan. litlbilly Mar 2016 #27

I'm getting ready to make an official endorsement soon too Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #28

Thank you for informing us of this breaking development. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #33

I'm on pins and needles with suspense Armstead Mar 2016 #53

Could it be? DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #61

You don't have to say it. You'll endorse Trump. You bastard! /nt delrem Mar 2016 #171

With all due respect NO ONE who was really for Bernie would vote for HILLARY. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #29

You Got That Right noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #49

thanks for your respect. DesertFlower Mar 2016 #51

I disagree ibegurpard Mar 2016 #98

A real Bernie supporter wouldn't support Hillary even if she gave them Zorra Mar 2016 #101

That right there ^^^ onecaliberal Mar 2016 #104

uh-huh Zorra Mar 2016 #260

it's a silly premise, but yeah- most people would take one million for their one vote. bettyellen Mar 2016 #250

Do you have any evidence that she is not a Third Way/DLC/Corporatist? JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #30

Thanks, Big Dawg. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #31

lol panader0 Mar 2016 #34

I'm not sure DU knew you as anything, but now, I know you as a Bernie Butter. merrily Mar 2016 #40

I'd consult with the women's activists abroad, MisterP Mar 2016 #41

Good for you, welcome! George II Mar 2016 #42

Very slick, I'll say that. nt snagglepuss Mar 2016 #43

Thanks for the intelligent, balanced explanation. LAS14 Mar 2016 #44

i agree. as someone who also switched from DesertFlower Mar 2016 #56

K&R! DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #45

You sure you were watching the same primaries I was? nt Logical Mar 2016 #46

Thanks for being a big enough person to admit to this. While I have been following Bernie for years kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #47

Read about his experience as mayor Armstead Mar 2016 #57

Exactly. Not only does he have experience. He has support from Independents and even some liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #88

well said. nt DesertFlower Mar 2016 #59

Excuse me, I am a woman and think he is wonderful to women. He supports family leave and liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #87

+1000 Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #130

Interesting points Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #162

lol d_b Mar 2016 #58

...well desmiller Mar 2016 #60

I invite all Hillary supporters to go to . . . Sparky 1 Mar 2016 #63

I got -7s and support Hillary../nt DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #73

Here's mine, not too sure what it means fun n serious Mar 2016 #78

Any system that opposes "authoritarian" to "libertarian" is libertarian. senz Mar 2016 #151

This ^^ Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #160

Welcome to the party! SunSeeker Mar 2016 #65

The following endorsement has been presented by SisterSarah Mar 2016 #68

Did you sign up just to leave what you think is an insult? Sheepshank Mar 2016 #97

Oh so well said, OP! nt OhZone Mar 2016 #69

It looks as though... quickesst Mar 2016 #71

Infiltrators, keep up the good work. aspirant Mar 2016 #74

Infiltrators to GDP? You know this is not your exclusive playground, correct? jsmirman Mar 2016 #85

While I regret your choice, I'm happy to Rec this thread. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #75

Good on you jsmirman Mar 2016 #84

Welcome to reality wisteria Mar 2016 #76

I'm very sorry that they're treating you like dogshit for this. Chichiri Mar 2016 #77

"Hillary understands that there needs to be an actual gameplan beyond hoping for some "political rev riversedge Mar 2016 #80

Too bad the agenda she'll pivot back to ... k8conant Mar 2016 #82

Uh, I don't know you as anything. As for your Hillary pimping, have at it. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #90

No one sincerely goes from Bernie to Hillary. Uh-uh. Gotta register you valerief Mar 2016 #91

people who can't handle the truth use "ignore". DesertFlower Mar 2016 #102

Et tu, Brutus? You're a club kid, too. nt valerief Mar 2016 #225

Okay. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #94

Ok. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #99

They should all go work for Pravda . .. . . pdsimdars Mar 2016 #100

One of my Bernie Supporting friends on Facebook constantly post Russia Times Videos Trenzalore Mar 2016 #183

The artist formerly known as gobears10 whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #103

indeed ibegurpard Mar 2016 #106

Buh bye Nyan Mar 2016 #105

..... Kalidurga Mar 2016 #107

Respect your right to vote for her. Think you're dead wrong, but that's why they have primaries. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #114

I'm sorry, but what you posted does not seem even remotely sincere. Maedhros Mar 2016 #115

These are definitely planted posts, so let's not kid ourselves Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #123

Obviously. senz Mar 2016 #131

YES. Reads like it was planned ages ago for a rainy day. senz Mar 2016 #126

Pro-Bernie = honest, Pro-Clinton = planted RandySF Mar 2016 #128

Naw, this one's stylistic. senz Mar 2016 #137

Nono! This one is way beyond MineralMan and Bravenak territory. delrem Mar 2016 #168

Cool story, bro (nt) jack_krass Mar 2016 #116

Everyone has that right Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #117

I really like pumpkin pie. What's your favorite pie? Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #122

I'll take the Boston creme or rhubarb. Strawberry rhubarb, heated. senz Mar 2016 #133

Mmm! Heated strawberry rhubarb! Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #217

lol! But this OP is still bogus! senz Mar 2016 #219

That's why I'm talking about anything but the OP Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #221

... senz Mar 2016 #222

Not buying it. Sorry. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #129

The story IS a rather generic one that pops up after every time Sanders wins big. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #215

The funny thing is, somewhere, this idea was workshopped as a means... Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #218

They are there, those who have "Come to Bern", although they are few and far between. They are also Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #223

Don't apologize NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #235

Apparently you do considering you bothered to respond. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #242

Yeah you're right. You're not worth it NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #257

Your story is totally believable. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #132

Doubtful the right turn will bother them one bit. senz Mar 2016 #136

DU is reduced to this.... mike_c Mar 2016 #134

^^^ Thread Winner ^^^ senz Mar 2016 #143

hit & run dana_b Mar 2016 #138

Member since April of 2015. 7wo7rees Mar 2016 #145

I never heard of them. Ever. The OP title bears no relationship to reality. senz Mar 2016 #150

gobears10 actually posted some very good articles. delrem Mar 2016 #166

Great to hear! ucrdem Mar 2016 #146

K&R and welcome to the Winner's Circle. lamp_shade Mar 2016 #148

Uh-huh, the only losers for the WC crowd would be the American people. senz Mar 2016 #149

Where's the evidence? highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #154

I see her as a pragmatic progressive too. I think she would be a great president. nt BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #159

Wish you well....sad you missed out on tonights hat-trick.. blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #161

I hope your new employer does you well. Good luck, gobears10. delrem Mar 2016 #165

OIC, this is a "joke" post! John Poet Mar 2016 #172

It's like the account was hijacked by The Joker. delrem Mar 2016 #173

But she is a Third Way / DLC/ Corporatist. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #174

sos clinton advocated the same foreign policies as samantha power and Susan Rice BlueStateLib Mar 2016 #184

Truth is tough to digest for some. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #253

I kept waiting for the sarcasm smiley... RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #178

I could get behind her if she was more liberal about marijuana legalization. B Calm Mar 2016 #180

I remember you as a Bernie supporter and anyone in this thread who pretends otherwise knows seaglass Mar 2016 #182

I'm very sorry for the venom DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #185

You what? Trajan Mar 2016 #186

a flower has bloomed reddread Mar 2016 #188

Thank you for articulately explaining the reasons I support Hillary. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #196

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #211

Gehud, here is one example - free college. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #216

Bye. Live Bait Mar 2016 #204

That's a shame. 99Forever Mar 2016 #205

Excellent, thoughtful post! pandr32 Mar 2016 #212

your definition of 'super' seems to be mostly based on the fact islandmkl Mar 2016 #213

Do as you will, but your story isn't compelling. There's no arc that explains why you changed your DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #224

Ok Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #226

good for you. welcome to ignore. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #228

While I agree that Hillary is by far the best choice BainsBane Mar 2016 #230

Yeah, not buying it. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #233

Welcome, gobears NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #236

That is a pretty little speech that you just presented Seeinghope Mar 2016 #243

"Reexamine your soul" Really?? SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #245

We Welcome Your Support :-) Corey_Baker08 Mar 2016 #247

I'm glad she was pragmatic in supporting LGBTQ issues and marriage in 2013 n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #249

Does anyone know if there is a way to put all members of a group on ignore with one click? WheelWalker Mar 2016 #251

Uh huh .... TheFarS1de Mar 2016 #255

You have chosen wisely lunamagica Mar 2016 #256

Great post Gothmog Mar 2016 #258

Well, now... chervilant Mar 2016 #259

Well said. Thank you. K & R nt Persondem Mar 2016 #262