2016 Postmortem

delrem

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263. I can't even begin to understand.

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:20 PM

Mar 2016

To my mind, a million dead Arabs is enough. I don't want any more of the PNAC ideology. But Hillary does.

I think there's something else going on, there - keeping these PNAC wars running as they do in their path of destruction - than is being spoken of in the primary campaign. It's bloody well unspeakable.
I couldn't live with myself, supporting that.

I think a single payer universal health care plan for the USA, with room at the top for extra insurance for the more wealthy, would be a good idea and is doable, as it has been proven to be doable in other countries with a similar "capitalist" economy as the USA. Even though it is a purely "socialist" idea. I think that "socialism" and "capitalism" are have been proven to be compatible. Hillary doesn't even begin to understand this. Unfortunately.

These are such large issues that I can't even begin to understand what you heard in the debates, that convinced you to support Hillary.

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DU used to know me as being super anti-Hillary and pro-Bernie. After a few months, #ImWithHer [View all] gobears10 Mar 2016 OP

Sorry To Learn Of Your Change Of Heart - That Is A Tragedy To This Citizen cantbeserious Mar 2016 #1

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #64

I think that hide speaks loads for the average jury on DU. Zira Mar 2016 #108

He merely pointed out the OP is fairly new w/few comments. Big deal. senz Mar 2016 #118

Sounds like a tilted jury system. Zira Mar 2016 #119

They have rules about who serves on juries. senz Mar 2016 #139

Thank you! I didn't know any of this. Zira Mar 2016 #140

They should have the rules posted in an obvious place for everyone. senz Mar 2016 #141

Agreed, it would be better to have them on the left. I should have gone looking for the rules too. Zira Mar 2016 #142

That explains why I never get hides. Everyone has me on Ignore! randome Mar 2016 #207

I don't think the 2nd and 3rd rules still apply? baran Mar 2016 #229

I almost never vote to hide, but I may have voted to hide that post. ZombieHorde Mar 2016 #252

That's got to be one of the most innocuous hidden posts I've ever seen Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #144

It is ridiculous FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #214

"...she'll actually have a chance at carrying out her agenda." Wilms Mar 2016 #2

+1 daleanime Mar 2016 #5

+1 dchill Mar 2016 #7

her agenda is what terrifies me questionseverything Mar 2016 #36

Ain't that the truth TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #62

Yup. Shadowflash Mar 2016 #37

Yep. We don't want her rightwing agenda. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #89

if you think HRC is right wing MFM008 Mar 2016 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2016 #163

This message was self-deleted by its author highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #177

If Hillary is the nominee I'll vote for her if it looks like a close contest in my state. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #227

As I live in OH greiner3 Mar 2016 #244

+10000 Zira Mar 2016 #110

+1000 That's what I fear. nt tblue Mar 2016 #147

TRUMP + Clinton = (same coin)/2 seekthetruth Mar 2016 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author seekthetruth Mar 2016 #155

Her agenda Aerows Mar 2016 #167

+ another Scuba Mar 2016 #187

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #203

Too bad and of that knowledge and skill..... daleanime Mar 2016 #3

All righty, then! djean111 Mar 2016 #4

Bye from where? This is GDP - not BS' GDP jsmirman Mar 2016 #70

'bye from my attention. djean111 Mar 2016 #175

Good for You!!!!! asuhornets Mar 2016 #6

thanks!! :) gobears10 Mar 2016 #11

LOL asuhornets Mar 2016 #16

yeah... gobears10 Mar 2016 #18

I agree... asuhornets Mar 2016 #25

yeah me to MFM008 Mar 2016 #153

You are no longer blocked CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #232

They are like elephants Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #120

Appeal to one of the hosts. Aerows Mar 2016 #169

You're unblocked treestar Mar 2016 #193

To each his (or her) own I guess Armstead Mar 2016 #8

I couldn't disagree with any more. smiley Mar 2016 #9

Seriously? kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #48

yes. smiley Mar 2016 #52

Me too! Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #124

Seriously Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #54

Remember now... a bird on a podium means things has changed for Sander to some of thems uponit7771 Mar 2016 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author jsmirman Mar 2016 #72

very serious dana_b Mar 2016 #135

Thanks for your intelligent, eloquent and heartfelt post EffieBlack Mar 2016 #10

You are a wise poster. Welcome aboard the H-Train..... Trust Buster Mar 2016 #12

well good for you CountAllVotes Mar 2016 #13

Happens Every Election noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #14

+1 liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #17

Or maybe they have an open mind and don't behave like they're in a cult where a change EffieBlack Mar 2016 #20

You Can Believe Whatever You Want noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #26

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #206

No doubt. panader0 Mar 2016 #32

They can't. This sounds fishy to me. I'll leave it at that. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #95

Good morning Elmer! Loki Mar 2016 #192

Amen. I have changed my political views also. Being a social worker, it has driven me further to the kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #220

Hi Loki! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #240

if steve leser can come around anyone can reddread Mar 2016 #35

Obama isn't running this time JI7 Mar 2016 #38

i miss the point? reddread Mar 2016 #39

Hillary will never change her spots. Never. n/t djean111 Mar 2016 #176

well you're opinion is wrong. i donated DesertFlower Mar 2016 #50

frightening and horrific things Biaviians Mar 2016 #81

I have seen your posts. Not very Bernie friendly posts. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #86

let's see those posts. i was banned from bernie group about a week ago -- DesertFlower Mar 2016 #92

I think it is about time to put you on ignore. Good bye. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #93

you can't handle the truth. DesertFlower Mar 2016 #96

The truth is, someone who donated 3 times to Bernie's campaign Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #181

so now you're psychic. i did donate 3 DesertFlower Mar 2016 #238

I'm not pyschic, Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #254

i don't appreciate being called a liar. if you were a DesertFlower Mar 2016 #261

still waiting for you to show my anti bernie posts. DesertFlower Mar 2016 #112

+1 Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #125

you're so full of it. i don't post much and DesertFlower Mar 2016 #241

My husband shares these views with you.. Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #158

well if your husband shares my views ask him. DesertFlower Mar 2016 #164

We can't talk about politics ---lol Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #248

Yup. The differences are fundamental. You simply cannot believe in Bernie and then believe in HRC. cui bono Mar 2016 #55

Every time he makes gains a few of these pop up. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #79

Especially when having prior knowledge of certain posters here Live Bait Mar 2016 #209

Yep. seekthetruth Mar 2016 #157

+1 You can't *unsee* something so fundamental as if you were Cypher in The Matrix. JudyM Mar 2016 #200

Nailed it! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #246

Her climate change proposals doom our planet riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #15

You know what? Let's do this. jsmirman Mar 2016 #83

You first... Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #109

Wow. That is some serious upside down thinking jsmirman Mar 2016 #111

I live in this universe as you can see... Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #127

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #210

+1000. He couldn't even get Single Payer passed R B Garr Mar 2016 #113

Yes, I am genuinely curious to see the logic chain jsmirman Mar 2016 #121

Agreed, and it looks like the logic is to spam anti-Hillary comments and gloss over R B Garr Mar 2016 #197

Bill and Hillary could not get health care reform passed by a DEMOCRATIC-LED Congress. djean111 Mar 2016 #179

"he is not in charge" What an excuse. R B Garr Mar 2016 #189

What you are leaving out of this conversation is that Hillary can certainly, likely, djean111 Mar 2016 #190

Anti-Hillary spam is not the answer to everything. This was about Bernie, R B Garr Mar 2016 #191

Any "anti-Bernie" mention is, by default, "so vote for Hillary" spam. djean111 Mar 2016 #194

This is just more anti-Hillary spam. And my comment was about his inability to get his R B Garr Mar 2016 #195

So, let's say, I sign on (bwhahahaha!) to your anti-Bernie spam. djean111 Mar 2016 #198

Bernie couldn't even get Single Payer passed in his teeny, tiny state of Vermont. R B Garr Mar 2016 #201

And, again, I am terrified that Hillary could get HER national agenda enacted, even a little djean111 Mar 2016 #202

Anti-Hillary spam is not the answer to everything. This is really off the deep end now, R B Garr Mar 2016 #208

lol JI7 Mar 2016 #19

I'm really sorry that you're being subjected to snarks and insults EffieBlack Mar 2016 #21

Stoics like myself are attracted to politicians with consistent records. edgineered Mar 2016 #22

Yep 40+ years as a Senator is impressive CountAllVotes Mar 2016 #24

Uhm, Sanders has not served as a Senator for 40+ years. okasha Mar 2016 #66

Serving the public CountAllVotes Mar 2016 #199

Age 40 was when he got his first okasha Mar 2016 #231

Far more impressive than the competition CountAllVotes Mar 2016 #234

LOL. Actually, I do like someone who's worked for the people her entire life, okasha Mar 2016 #237

i too was a bernie supporter but about 7 weeks ago -- DesertFlower Mar 2016 #23

gosh. I'm excited for you, changing to hillary like that. It must have been exciting. delrem Mar 2016 #170

it was very difficult. i've always liked bernie and when DesertFlower Mar 2016 #239

I can't even begin to understand. delrem Mar 2016 #263

Hillary has no liberal wishlist so she doesnt need a plan. litlbilly Mar 2016 #27

I'm getting ready to make an official endorsement soon too Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #28

Thank you for informing us of this breaking development. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #33

I'm on pins and needles with suspense Armstead Mar 2016 #53

Could it be? DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #61

You don't have to say it. You'll endorse Trump. You bastard! /nt delrem Mar 2016 #171

With all due respect NO ONE who was really for Bernie would vote for HILLARY. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #29

You Got That Right noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #49

thanks for your respect. DesertFlower Mar 2016 #51

I disagree ibegurpard Mar 2016 #98

A real Bernie supporter wouldn't support Hillary even if she gave them Zorra Mar 2016 #101

That right there ^^^ onecaliberal Mar 2016 #104

uh-huh Zorra Mar 2016 #260

it's a silly premise, but yeah- most people would take one million for their one vote. bettyellen Mar 2016 #250

Do you have any evidence that she is not a Third Way/DLC/Corporatist? JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #30

Thanks, Big Dawg. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2016 #31

lol panader0 Mar 2016 #34

I'm not sure DU knew you as anything, but now, I know you as a Bernie Butter. merrily Mar 2016 #40

I'd consult with the women's activists abroad, MisterP Mar 2016 #41

Good for you, welcome! George II Mar 2016 #42

Very slick, I'll say that. nt snagglepuss Mar 2016 #43

Thanks for the intelligent, balanced explanation. LAS14 Mar 2016 #44

i agree. as someone who also switched from DesertFlower Mar 2016 #56

K&R! DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #45

You sure you were watching the same primaries I was? nt Logical Mar 2016 #46

Thanks for being a big enough person to admit to this. While I have been following Bernie for years kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #47

Read about his experience as mayor Armstead Mar 2016 #57

Exactly. Not only does he have experience. He has support from Independents and even some liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #88

well said. nt DesertFlower Mar 2016 #59

Excuse me, I am a woman and think he is wonderful to women. He supports family leave and liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #87

+1000 Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #130

Interesting points Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #162

lol d_b Mar 2016 #58

...well desmiller Mar 2016 #60

I invite all Hillary supporters to go to . . . Sparky 1 Mar 2016 #63

I got -7s and support Hillary../nt DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #73

Here's mine, not too sure what it means fun n serious Mar 2016 #78

Any system that opposes "authoritarian" to "libertarian" is libertarian. senz Mar 2016 #151

This ^^ Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #160

Welcome to the party! SunSeeker Mar 2016 #65

The following endorsement has been presented by SisterSarah Mar 2016 #68

Did you sign up just to leave what you think is an insult? Sheepshank Mar 2016 #97

Oh so well said, OP! nt OhZone Mar 2016 #69

It looks as though... quickesst Mar 2016 #71

Infiltrators, keep up the good work. aspirant Mar 2016 #74

Infiltrators to GDP? You know this is not your exclusive playground, correct? jsmirman Mar 2016 #85

While I regret your choice, I'm happy to Rec this thread. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #75

Good on you jsmirman Mar 2016 #84

Welcome to reality wisteria Mar 2016 #76

I'm very sorry that they're treating you like dogshit for this. Chichiri Mar 2016 #77

"Hillary understands that there needs to be an actual gameplan beyond hoping for some "political rev riversedge Mar 2016 #80

Too bad the agenda she'll pivot back to ... k8conant Mar 2016 #82

Uh, I don't know you as anything. As for your Hillary pimping, have at it. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #90

No one sincerely goes from Bernie to Hillary. Uh-uh. Gotta register you valerief Mar 2016 #91

people who can't handle the truth use "ignore". DesertFlower Mar 2016 #102

Et tu, Brutus? You're a club kid, too. nt valerief Mar 2016 #225

Okay. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #94

Ok. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #99

They should all go work for Pravda . .. . . pdsimdars Mar 2016 #100

One of my Bernie Supporting friends on Facebook constantly post Russia Times Videos Trenzalore Mar 2016 #183

The artist formerly known as gobears10 whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #103

indeed ibegurpard Mar 2016 #106

Buh bye Nyan Mar 2016 #105

..... Kalidurga Mar 2016 #107

Respect your right to vote for her. Think you're dead wrong, but that's why they have primaries. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #114

I'm sorry, but what you posted does not seem even remotely sincere. Maedhros Mar 2016 #115

These are definitely planted posts, so let's not kid ourselves Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #123

Obviously. senz Mar 2016 #131

YES. Reads like it was planned ages ago for a rainy day. senz Mar 2016 #126

Pro-Bernie = honest, Pro-Clinton = planted RandySF Mar 2016 #128

Naw, this one's stylistic. senz Mar 2016 #137

Nono! This one is way beyond MineralMan and Bravenak territory. delrem Mar 2016 #168

Cool story, bro (nt) jack_krass Mar 2016 #116

Everyone has that right Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #117

I really like pumpkin pie. What's your favorite pie? Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #122

I'll take the Boston creme or rhubarb. Strawberry rhubarb, heated. senz Mar 2016 #133

Mmm! Heated strawberry rhubarb! Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #217

lol! But this OP is still bogus! senz Mar 2016 #219

That's why I'm talking about anything but the OP Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #221

... senz Mar 2016 #222

Not buying it. Sorry. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #129

The story IS a rather generic one that pops up after every time Sanders wins big. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #215

The funny thing is, somewhere, this idea was workshopped as a means... Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #218

They are there, those who have "Come to Bern", although they are few and far between. They are also Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #223

Don't apologize NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #235

Apparently you do considering you bothered to respond. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #242

Yeah you're right. You're not worth it NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #257

Your story is totally believable. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #132

Doubtful the right turn will bother them one bit. senz Mar 2016 #136

DU is reduced to this.... mike_c Mar 2016 #134

^^^ Thread Winner ^^^ senz Mar 2016 #143

hit & run dana_b Mar 2016 #138

Member since April of 2015. 7wo7rees Mar 2016 #145

I never heard of them. Ever. The OP title bears no relationship to reality. senz Mar 2016 #150

gobears10 actually posted some very good articles. delrem Mar 2016 #166

Great to hear! ucrdem Mar 2016 #146

K&R and welcome to the Winner's Circle. lamp_shade Mar 2016 #148

Uh-huh, the only losers for the WC crowd would be the American people. senz Mar 2016 #149

Where's the evidence? highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #154

I see her as a pragmatic progressive too. I think she would be a great president. nt BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #159

Wish you well....sad you missed out on tonights hat-trick.. blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #161

I hope your new employer does you well. Good luck, gobears10. delrem Mar 2016 #165

OIC, this is a "joke" post! John Poet Mar 2016 #172

It's like the account was hijacked by The Joker. delrem Mar 2016 #173

But she is a Third Way / DLC/ Corporatist. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #174

sos clinton advocated the same foreign policies as samantha power and Susan Rice BlueStateLib Mar 2016 #184

Truth is tough to digest for some. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #253

I kept waiting for the sarcasm smiley... RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #178

I could get behind her if she was more liberal about marijuana legalization. B Calm Mar 2016 #180

I remember you as a Bernie supporter and anyone in this thread who pretends otherwise knows seaglass Mar 2016 #182

I'm very sorry for the venom DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #185

You what? Trajan Mar 2016 #186

a flower has bloomed reddread Mar 2016 #188

Thank you for articulately explaining the reasons I support Hillary. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #196

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #211

Gehud, here is one example - free college. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #216

Bye. Live Bait Mar 2016 #204

That's a shame. 99Forever Mar 2016 #205

Excellent, thoughtful post! pandr32 Mar 2016 #212

your definition of 'super' seems to be mostly based on the fact islandmkl Mar 2016 #213

Do as you will, but your story isn't compelling. There's no arc that explains why you changed your DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #224

Ok Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #226

good for you. welcome to ignore. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #228

While I agree that Hillary is by far the best choice BainsBane Mar 2016 #230

Yeah, not buying it. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #233

Welcome, gobears NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #236

That is a pretty little speech that you just presented Seeinghope Mar 2016 #243

"Reexamine your soul" Really?? SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #245

We Welcome Your Support :-) Corey_Baker08 Mar 2016 #247

I'm glad she was pragmatic in supporting LGBTQ issues and marriage in 2013 n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #249

Does anyone know if there is a way to put all members of a group on ignore with one click? WheelWalker Mar 2016 #251

Uh huh .... TheFarS1de Mar 2016 #255

You have chosen wisely lunamagica Mar 2016 #256

Great post Gothmog Mar 2016 #258

Well, now... chervilant Mar 2016 #259

Well said. Thank you. K & R nt Persondem Mar 2016 #262